Uh what’s up with Andy Powell/Washington?

100% correct

Just look at the difference in the times Tanner ran in the Nike spikes (he wore them for his 3:34) compared to when he’s raced in the Adi spikes. I know the races haven’t been as quick as the one that was set up indoors, but there is still a clear difference. Even the Brooks Beast guys are wearing Nikes at the moment and that says a lot that a company pumping a lot of money in to a team, is admitting that their product is inferior to another companies.

Adi spikes are being released soon, maybe in time for NCAA’s.

Sasuke wrote:

Ches has struggled a lot as a pro. Constantly injured. Very few athletes that ran for Powell at Oregon have had great pro careers. They're all very talented, so you'll see some blips on the radar, but mostly injury and busts.

How is that Powell's fault? It's not like he over-raced or over-trained Ches in college. He held him back a ton and Ches only had 1 major injury in 4 years at Oregon.

Also, the bit about not having pro careers is just straight up false. Colby Alexander, Eric Jenkins, Parker Stinson, Trevor Dunbar, Sam Prakel and Luke Puskedra have all had solid careers at the pro level. You also had guys like Will Geoghegan and Gregorek who were there for 1 year and improved a ton

rojo wrote:

cherry.picker wrote:

It’s the adidas.

Are all the athletes wearing adidas? If that's true, they have no chance. I'm serious.

It's disgraceful that adidas won't let the athletes out of their crappy spikes.

You know all about disgraces RoJoke.

I mean your life and all.

JRinaldi wrote:

100% correct

Just look at the difference in the times Tanner ran in the Nike spikes (he wore them for his 3:34) compared to when he’s raced in the Adi spikes. I know the races haven’t been as quick as the one that was set up indoors, but there is still a clear difference. Even the Brooks Beast guys are wearing Nikes at the moment and that says a lot that a company pumping a lot of money in to a team, is admitting that their product is inferior to another companies.

Adi spikes are being released soon, maybe in time for NCAA’s.

The Nike spikes are good, but Tanner's performance not related. He ran a good race to run 3:34, but he's not as good as Cooper Teare. Thus he lost. Teare is a 3:33 guy, and just in general is a different level runner than Tanner. In the 5,000, Tanner DNF'ed and Teare finished second in a loaded field. Is that the spikes too?

Your joking right? I love how every 3 years the fanboys fall in love with whatever coach is getting the best recruits. And at the same time, everyone else is viewed as total garbarge.

A few years ago, Powell was God. Now it's Smith.

Same thing at the pro level. Alberto was god, then evil. Then Jerry was the man. Now he can't coach as he has "cookie-cutter" approach which ruined Kate Grace (i literally read that on here last week).

Do people not realize there can only be 1 winner in a race? On the podcast, I"ve liked to give Jonathan a bit of a hard time the last few years as I thought he was a little too much of a Powell fanboy. But now I'm defending Andy.

A lot of these coaches are excellent - what's not excellent is people seem to think it's all either - they're the best or the worst.

So Powell has a guy run 334 and freshmen run 835 steeple and 13:43 and he sucks? Are you people dumb?

I just ran a dual meet between NAU and Washington using the descending order list at cloud training system. Washington wins 112 to 79.

And here's what will shock you. Distance wise 800 on up, it's Washington 24, NAU 21

How is that possible? It's because UW dominates both the 800 and steeple and 1500..

rojo wrote:

cherry.picker wrote:

It’s the adidas.

Are all the athletes wearing adidas? If that's true, they have no chance. I'm serious.

It's disgraceful that adidas won't let the athletes out of their crappy spikes.

Disadvantage? Sure.

But there is no reason why athletes should not be improving.

Also in your analysis on track times improving I think that you neglected to consider the improving depth of talent over the past two years. The 2020 HS graduating class was probably the strongest class in the history of distance running in America. (Plenty of evidence to support this claim). These fast freshman, coupled with the pandemic giving an extra year of eligibility to seniors has made a perfect storm for faster times in collegiate distance running.

Did you use the altitude converted times?

Ad Hocker Teare List wrote:

rojo wrote:

Are all the athletes wearing adidas? If that's true, they have no chance. I'm serious.

It's disgraceful that adidas won't let the athletes out of their crappy spikes.

Disadvantage? Sure.

But there is no reason why athletes should not be improving.

Also in your analysis on track times improving I think that you neglected to consider the improving depth of talent over the past two years. The 2020 HS graduating class was probably the strongest class in the history of distance running in America. (Plenty of evidence to support this claim). These fast freshman, coupled with the pandemic giving an extra year of eligibility to seniors has made a perfect storm for faster times in collegiate distance running.

2021 is going to be better than 2020

Agreed. The notion in the post to which you responded is brought up from time to time despite the obvious answer that there are reasons for a top recruit to choose another program: Academics; specific academic program; academic reputation; connection with the coach or other members of the team; proximity to family; preference for type of campus atmosphere or setting; and amount of financial aid. In light of the small amount of money available to distance runners who seek to be a professional runner, it is foolish to choose only based on the running program.

And this isn't a knock on NAU. It is right for some people, just not for all.

Andy Powell is one of the best coaches to ever coach milers at the college level. I’m not saying THE best, because there is no coach who fits that description.

The stable of ultra-successful milers at Oregon during his tenure should speak for itself. If Andy never had another miler the rest of his career, he’d still be an all-time great. Sh*t, look at Dellinger in his final years at Oregon. They were bad. But yet, he is described as an all-time great based on his best years, not his worst.

Powell is still a young buck too. AND he hasn’t slipped much at all in the transition. He took over a program in tatters and came up with improved results right away. He’s still in re-building mode.

Why don’t you ask the sh*t ton of great Oregon milers he developed if he’s any good?

rojo wrote:

I just ran a dual meet between NAU and Washington using the descending order list at cloud training system. Washington wins 112 to 79.

And here's what will shock you. Distance wise 800 on up, it's Washington 24, NAU 21

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That really doesn't mean much other than Powell is a solid coach. Haters on this thread just be trolling.

You would have to be as bad of a coach as Stephan Haas.

they are just shoes wrote:

They all wore Nike spikes. Calm down rojo. Is all you talk about the spikes these days?

He's the Unabomber of supershoes.

Sam Tanner is already on New Zealand’s Olympic team. I’m of the impression that Andy & Sam’s coach in NZ are looking at the big picture & not worrying about NCAAs.

Guys like Julius Diehr, Isaac Green & Tibebu Proctor, who were recruited by LR’s favorite whipping boy Greg Metcalf, actually got better under Powell. What I do want to see is how his recruits do by the time they’re seniors, assuming they’re not transferring, taking medical retirement or decide they want to do something else with their life.

Did I miss something? DK Metcalf (10.3 guy) coached distance at Washington?

runnER/DR wrote:

Why would a top men's recruit choose anywhere but NAU right now? Flagstaff is the epicenter of American distance running right now(at any level), and coach Smith is hands down the best men's coach. Of course, the school is total garbage, but where you go for undergrad doesn't matter anyway.

I'm sure Powell will make the Huskies a decent team in a few years. Daschbach doesn't surprise me at all. He's in the same boat as Drew Hunter. He's a fantastic talent, but he was supremely trained and fit already by the time he got to college. He's just not going to have huge gains because he's already so fit.

Where you go for undergrad doesn't matter? I guess that would be true if your sights are set on University of Phoenix for grad school.

Bonkers wrote:

Sasuke wrote:

Ches has struggled a lot as a pro. Constantly injured. Very few athletes that ran for Powell at Oregon have had great pro careers. They're all very talented, so you'll see some blips on the radar, but mostly injury and busts.

How is that Powell's fault? It's not like he over-raced or over-trained Ches in college. He held him back a ton and Ches only had 1 major injury in 4 years at Oregon.

Also, the bit about not having pro careers is just straight up false. Colby Alexander, Eric Jenkins, Parker Stinson, Trevor Dunbar, Sam Prakel and Luke Puskedra have all had solid careers at the pro level. You also had guys like Will Geoghegan and Gregorek who were there for 1 year and improved a ton

Ches was absolutely over trained and over raced in college. Some of the workouts that he did were insane.

All of the guys that you have mentioned that are pros have had very volatile careers. They have a had a few good performances here and there but of that list only Jenkins has made a world championship team. Mac Fleet was a two time NCAA 1500m champ under Powell and did nothing as a pro. Alexander, Jekins, Stinson have been all over the shop. Injured, not able to have consistent performances, etc. Dunbar and Pusekdra didn't last too long as pros either. A couple of flash performances but mostly mediocre.

I'll give you Prakel. He is still running well under Powell.

I don't really count Geoghegan or Gregorek because they only had one year.

runnER/DR wrote:

Why would a top men's recruit choose anywhere but NAU right now? Flagstaff is the epicenter of American distance running right now(at any level), and coach Smith is hands down the best men's coach. Of course, the school is total garbage, but where you go for undergrad doesn't matter anyway.

Please don't listen to this person about choosing a college if you are intelligent. Go to the best school you can get into academically, or choose the best running school from the TIER of schools you can get into; i.e. if you can get into the Ivies, go to the best running school amongst them.

Undergrad matters hugely, and only more so in an increasingly competitive, globalized economy. There is a reason rich people try to cheat their way into elite schools, and it ain't because of poverty talk like "you can get a good education anywhere." If the poster is an MD (guessing based on username) it is true undergrad matters less. Most people won't be MDs. Make life easier on yourself, not harder. Of course there are exceptions and people can go to mediocre undergrads and become successful. As you get older, you learn to not make choices based on exceptions to the rule.

I took recruiting trips to NAU and Oregon in the 1990s and chose neither.

I now live in a neighborhood where no house is less than 3 million, and the residents almost exclusively attended elite schools. No one here is telling their kids undergrad doesn't matter.

Of course if you are dumb and fast, go the NAUs of the world.