Sydney thorvaldson ran a 947 2 mile, second fastest all time. Which is pretty similar to Jenna Hutchins 1534 5K
Anyway I think they were about even this year. I think thorvaldson got the nod because she is a senior and she seemed to run in a couple of more big time competitive races.
I agree with everything you said. I don't think it goes by grade, but in this case where they didn't compete, the senior should get it.
What does GPA have to do with this?
Well it looks like she ran in three different states and others could have come to race her at the Running Lane National Championship (300 runners). Even if you have Nike and Footlocker some never face off with each other. KT did not face all runners during a season. It’s impossible. I’m just saying when someone has three national records during a fall season and breaks two of KT’s records with a faster speed rating and higher GPA isn’t that is what the Gatorade National Award is about? I also looked at end of season MS 50 ranking and Hutchins was ranked #1. Just my thoughts but very interesting to me.
Gatorade award is also based on GPA - Academics,. Clearly states that on the website.
Let’s see how Gatorade handles the boys National award. Several ran at the Running Lane National Championship and most only ran one National race.
Correct. There have been state awardees who lost races to other runners who had questionable academics.
It will be interesting if the RunningLane champ is the winner.
Looking at Hutchins MS data base she has raced against some big names like Ewert, Brown, at past Footlocker Nationals and won. She seems to have shined in the bigger events. Won Footlocker south as well. Ewert beat Sydney at Nike. Amazes me how good these kids are.
Hutchins
3 nationals records in the fall
Fastest ever 5K XC time in history and validated with 15:34 on track, beat Kt’s time
Undefeated
3 state soil records
All new course/venue records for all races
Raced higher number of runners during the season when you compare races
All races sub 17:00 excerpt for 1. 1 sub 16:00
Fastest Speed Rating
Won Running Lane Nationals
State Champ/Record - Larger school division as well with more populations
MS 50#1 end of season ranking & higher GPA per press release
Wowzers wrote:
What does GPA have to do with this?
GPA, volunteering, you're full Scholastic resume so to speak is part of the equation.
Anyway from what I remember Sydney thorvaldson ran in one more big cross country meet than Jenna Hutchins where she faced brene Brown and one big
Honestly they were about the same. If you're really being fair and unbiased, they seem to be running at the same level
Jenna Hutchins had slightly higher speed ratings but speed ratings are based on competition so, and it was very minimal difference
She did get the track record but it's cross country season and it's across Country Awards so that probably doesn't factor in at all. In fact that probably hurt her and maybe was the difference. Instead of running cross-country she chose to run track. You can't blame her it was a crazy season and a good opportunity but I think probably the fact that Sydney thorvaldson as a senior and she ran in one more Big Race was the deciding factor. They were both about even and just look Sydney thorvaldson ran about 10 seconds faster compared to Jenna Hutchins at 3200 meters if you compare her January time to Hutchins has recent time.
rightonbrotha wrote:
Wowzers wrote:
What does GPA have to do with this?
GPA, volunteering, you're full Scholastic resume so to speak is part of the equation.
Anyway from what I remember Sydney thorvaldson ran in one more big cross country meet than Jenna Hutchins where she faced brene Brown and one big
Honestly they were about the same. If you're really being fair and unbiased, they seem to be running at the same level
Jenna Hutchins had slightly higher speed ratings but speed ratings are based on competition so, and it was very minimal difference
She did get the track record but it's cross country season and it's across Country Awards so that probably doesn't factor in at all. In fact that probably hurt her and maybe was the difference. Instead of running cross-country she chose to run track. You can't blame her it was a crazy season and a good opportunity but I think probably the fact that Sydney thorvaldson as a senior and she ran in one more Big Race was the deciding factor. They were both about even and just look Sydney thorvaldson ran about 10 seconds faster compared to Jenna Hutchins at 3200 meters if you compare her January time to Hutchins has recent time.
Agreed Sydney thorvaldson ran in one more Big Race. And had a victory against the next best national Runner. Running in a professional track race isn't part of the cross country season. It was a cool thing but not really part of the factor. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Sydney thorvaldson as the better personal records at every distance except for 5K and track. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure she has faster Mile and 2-mile times and probably 800 as well. But I agree that both very close
Okay I checked on athletic.net. and the crazy thing is how similar they are
They're 800 hundred and mile PR's are almost identical. 213 + 443
Sydney thorvaldson ran a 947 2 mile. Jenna Hutchins ran approximately a 952 converted to mile
But Jenna Hutchins has the really fast 5k track time of 1534. Which does convert to a little bit faster than 9:47, maybe 9:45. but since both of these girls excel at longer distances I actually think that thorvilson probably at a very best could have ran about the same
And Hutchins at her very best probably could have ran a little faster at the 2 Mile
Anyway they have almost identical track speed
Ezrun wrote:
Okay I checked on athletic.net. and the crazy thing is how similar they are
They're 800 hundred and mile PR's are almost identical. 213 + 443
Sydney thorvaldson ran a 947 2 mile. Jenna Hutchins ran approximately a 952 converted to mile
But Jenna Hutchins has the really fast 5k track time of 1534. Which does convert to a little bit faster than 9:47, maybe 9:45. but since both of these girls excel at longer distances I actually think that thorvilson probably at a very best could have ran about the same
And Hutchins at her very best probably could have ran a little faster at the 2 Mile
Anyway they have almost identical track speed
Lets see Jenna Hutchins go toe to toe with the top runners and see what happens, maybe next fall at nxn or footlocker then she goes off to train in Florida....racing against quality competition is the true test of ones ability to excel at athletics..there is no denying her runs against the clock so far
If you took the time to actually look at her record you will see Hutchins has run against plenty of quality competition. For example last year she beat Taylor Ewert and Sydney Masciarelli at Footlocker. And she did that on only 35 miles per week.
With no FLN or NXN this year the number 1 ranked boy Parker Wolfe signed up for Runninglane and top boys from all over country came to challenge him.
Likewise the number 1 ranked girl Jenna Hutchins signed up for Runninglane but some of the top girls did not show up. That's on them not her. Her 15:58 was a statement that she was more than ready for them.
My recollection is the XC Town Meet was announced first, which seems consistent with the thread below. Very, very few raced both. To me, the XC Town Meet looks like it had the deeper field on the girls side.
Perhaps schedules simply did not allow the alternative race, or maybe just enough travel. I doubt either girl ducked the other. Thorvaldson seemed to be looking for competition hence the 2nd major race in TX.
You neglected to mention she finished 30 seconds behind leaders in that FL race and was second in her class to Vanderkooi. Also there is no handicap adjustment to your finish place based on your claimed weekly mileage.
Only fall 2020 XC counts. Track doesn't count and 2019 doesn't count.
Based on Hutchins data she was 5th at Footlocker Nationals as a soph who was in front of Taylor Ewert at the line who beat Sydney at NXN. Also won agains Brown as a freshmen at Footlocker. So looks like she has ran against competition.
trophy for all wrote:
You neglected to mention she finished 30 seconds behind leaders in that FL race and was second in her class to Vanderkooi. Also there is no handicap adjustment to your finish place based on your claimed weekly mileage.
Post of the day above, let's see what happens when she gets a steady diet of quality competition.