When does life begin? Answer the question without relying on faith or a potential argument, and accounting for the fact that it is only human life with certain minimal capacities that grounds a right to life of any kind.
When does life begin? Answer the question without relying on faith or a potential argument, and accounting for the fact that it is only human life with certain minimal capacities that grounds a right to life of any kind.
white U.S. dude wrote:
American and proud wrote:
I won’t be persecuted for my beliefs anymore!
This is dumb. I agree that abortion law is troubling and problematic, but nobody's persecuting YOU.
If you strongly disagree with the abortion law, that's fine. But why make yourself look ridiculous by claiming that you are being persecuted? That's just silly.
Also, why connect the covid argument with the abortion argument? Sorta foolish, isn't it?
Look, most Americans can at least make a coherent statement about their position(s). This just makes you seem like a Russian troll trying too hard to stir up trouble.
Do better.
It's not so much about the politics as the underlying beliefs. Anyone (I'm not saying you, but many with the Biden-Harris way of thinking) who can celebrate the brutal murder of 50 million innocent babies since 1973 are no friend of God's or of mine! The Capitol incident is one thing, but the premeditated mass infanticide of the unborn is quite another! Those people have made a terribly tragic choice...especially for the babies!
Anyone (I'm not saying you, but many with the Biden-Harris way of thinking) who can celebrate the brutal murder of 50 million innocent babies since 1973 are no friend of God's or of mine! The Capitol incident is one thing, but the premeditated mass infanticide of the unborn is quite another! Those people have made a terribly tragic choice...especially for the babies!
It's not about Trump, but political hacks like Schumer, AOC, Booker, Waters, Pelosi, Harris and company (pulling Biden's strings), inciting murderous acts of violence against everyone they disagree with...while pitting the blame on their sworn enemy. I hope you're not proudly cheering for their success? I will never do that! I'm praying for one of two things: they fail miserably in their wickedness or, better yet, they repent of their devilish deeds on their faces in sackcloth and ashes.
I'm sure you can appreciate the magnitude of the "darkness" they parade around as "light." I don't see Trump as any kind of savior, but Biden-Harris are much closer to Anti-Christ...based on what we already know as fact. When the hidden parts are exposed it'll only get worse. I'm just trying to warn you ahead of time where this is all headed. It's not gonna be pretty!
God weeps when one of his creations is untimely ended.
TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
God weeps when one of his creations is untimely ended.
Amen
Tatar wrote:
stanky legs wrote:
Slavery used to be legal, but we became better. Hopefully, one day, the libs will drop their love of abortion and, it too, will become illegal.
So how free are women if they can't control what happens in the insides of their body?
What happens if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to be? Forced to give birth?
Is her 'feelings" more important than murder?
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Why don't you offer to carry them to term and raise them to 18, since you object so strenuously?
Deal.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
When does life begin? Answer the question without relying on faith or a potential argument, and accounting for the fact that it is only human life with certain minimal capacities that grounds a right to life of any kind.
When does life end?
The abortion argument is such a stupid one. If we are talking about whether or not it is moral to kill your baby in the womb, then society has failed many steps in the road before the abortion took place. Instead of arguing whether or not it is moral to kill babies before they are born, let's talk about ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies which may include wider use of birth control, and instilling better values around sex. Why are so many people having sex before they are ready to have kids and with people they do not want to have kids with? Maybe address that problem first. I don't know if the "party of science" knows this but sex is meant for reproduction, yes it feels good, but it is meant to create children.
Paradoxical wrote:
The abortion argument is such a stupid one. If we are talking about whether or not it is moral to kill your baby in the womb, then society has failed many steps in the road before the abortion took place. Instead of arguing whether or not it is moral to kill babies before they are born, let's talk about ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies which may include wider use of birth control, and instilling better values around sex. Why are so many people having sex before they are ready to have kids and with people they do not want to have kids with? Maybe address that problem first. I don't know if the "party of science" knows this but sex is meant for reproduction, yes it feels good, but it is meant to create children.
The Bible says no sex before marriage. Any birth control is a life destroying measure.
It’s not up to me. It’s up to HIM
Paradoxical wrote:
The abortion argument is such a stupid one. If we are talking about whether or not it is moral to kill your baby in the womb, then society has failed many steps in the road before the abortion took place. Instead of arguing whether or not it is moral to kill babies before they are born, let's talk about ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies which may include wider use of birth control, and instilling better values around sex. Why are so many people having sex before they are ready to have kids and with people they do not want to have kids with? Maybe address that problem first. I don't know if the "party of science" knows this but sex is meant for reproduction, yes it feels good, but it is meant to create children.
I agree with strategies to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
There is no purpose to any piece of evolution, though! We definitely shouldn't legislate around what we think the purpose of various pieces of human biology are.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
When does life begin? Answer the question without relying on faith or a potential argument, and accounting for the fact that it is only human life with certain minimal capacities that grounds a right to life of any kind.
fertilization.
Flagpole wrote:
American and proud wrote:
I won’t be persecuted for my beliefs anymore!
1) A fetus is not a baby or a child.
2) Legal abortion is not murder.
3) The vast majority of Americans oppose late-term abortion.
4) The vast majority of Americans do not believe it is ethical to have an abortion, BUT those of us like me who are pro-choice, believe the government has no right to restrict this and that this decision should be left to the woman and her doctor.
5) "Christians" who adamantly oppose abortion do so out of paternalism, misogyny, and sexism and some hope that this stance will absolve themselves of their own sins.
6) Keep your personal and religious beliefs to yourself. Abortion is legal in this country. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't.
I for one am pro abortion up until a child is 5 years old in order to see if you like them
OP seems like a troll. Not actually American.
TMADDDHASFNE wrote:
God weeps when one of his creations is untimely ended.
God isn’t real bro and over population is the biggest issue we face. We need to abort as many babies as possible
uhhh guys? wrote:
OP seems like a troll. Not actually American.
You’re the troll, not God
American and proud wrote:
Anyone . . . who can celebrate the brutal murder of 50 million innocent babies since 1973 are no friend of God's . . . !
The following assumes that the above-quoted statement is not trollage or poe-try. (If it is: fine, you got me.)
1. By definition, "babies" are recently-birthed humans. I know of no one who is "celebrating" the killing of 50 babies, much less 50 million.
2. By definition, "murder" is illegal killing of human beings. I know of no one who is "celebrating" the illegal killing of 50 recently-birthed humans, much less 50 million.
3. The Bible (aka The Word of "G-d") has no problem with abortion.
a. Numbers 5:11-31 provides a formula for abortion, and *mandates* its use in certain situations.
b. Forced abortions were to be the lot of those who rebelled against their "deity" (Hosea 13:16).
c. Women (all women, including the pregnant) would be killed for angering "G-d" (Jeremiah 44:7-8).
d. JC had no particular concern for the fate of pregnant women during the end times (Matthew 24:19).
Look, I understand that people don't get to *choose* their beliefs, and that you sincerely believe abortion to be wrong; I don't expect you to change that belief. But just have the intellectual honesty to say that it's *you* who object. Trying to bring "G-d" into it is incorrect.
American and proud wrote:
uhhh guys? wrote:
OP seems like a troll. Not actually American.
You’re the troll, not God
What does that even mean? What American talks like that? lol
And going back to your original post, what real American thinks he is "persecuted" for believing that abortion is wrong? Sure plenty of us don't like abortion, and we protest against it, and we want abortion to be illegal, but we don't go around saying we are being persecuted.
OP isn't American.
LRC, we can debate this issue, cool. But OP isn't American.
uhhh guys? wrote:
American and proud wrote:
You’re the troll, not God
What does that even mean? What American talks like that? lol
And going back to your original post, what real American thinks he is "persecuted" for believing that abortion is wrong? Sure plenty of us don't like abortion, and we protest against it, and we want abortion to be illegal, but we don't go around saying we are being persecuted.
OP isn't American.
LRC, we can debate this issue, cool. But OP isn't American.
I am American and patriot, more than you. I’m a child of God and you are his servant too
Mods really? This is still up? Alan’s wife has been Spamming the boards with the same thread every day for like a week. Get rid of this trash.
Disko Eric wrote:
Mods really? This is still up? Alan’s wife has been Spamming the boards with the same thread every day for like a week. Get rid of this trash.
Free speech, commie
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