She may have lost her balance and made a misstep with no intent to gain an advantage. Rules officials need to relax and look at the context of the infraction and exercise some commonsense.
She may have lost her balance and made a misstep with no intent to gain an advantage. Rules officials need to relax and look at the context of the infraction and exercise some commonsense.
leftists hate America wrote:
KD is Goat wrote:
I thought you wanted a law and order President
LAW AND ORDER
Only a mind-numbed leftist would equate this with thugs looting and destroying property and attacking innocent people.
law and order ?
Didn't she step on the line on a straightaway? If so, then she actually ran EXTRA distance. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. If she stepped on the line on a turn then she would be running LESS distance and subject to disqualification. But I would vote for a rule that allows some discretion on the part of the race officials and a variety of possible penalties including a time penalty rather than only a disqualification or nothing.
*See USATF / WA World Athletics formerly IAAF
Lane violations is another rule that varies with different rule books. The changes actually make sense when you think of them as part of the training process for the athletes.
NFHS rules state that “three or more consecutive steps with either or both feet on or over the inside lane line when running around a curve” is cause for disqualification. THREE CONSECUTIVE STEPS - you really have to work hard to get disqualified for a lane violation in high school! You can step on the line twice in a row, back in your lane for one step, over for two consecutive steps and then back off for one… you get the picture. High school is a training ground for athletes, and according to NFHS, outdoor track and field is still the largest participation sport in all of high school sports. We are training these athletes to follow the rules, but it is still training.
NCAA rules state that “two or more consecutive steps with either or both feet on or over the inside lane line when running around a curve” is cause for disqualification. The rule is very similar to NFHS, but it is more stringent. Collegiate athletes have (in almost all cases) run in high school, so the requirements necessary to run legally are more stringent as they have already had training at the high school level.
*USATF/WA rule books are written with elite athletes in mind. The lane violation rules are more stringent because, as I discussed last month, tracks are not measured on the line – they are measured inside the line/curb (20cm from the line, 30cm from the curb), so the penalties for stepping on the line (when elite athletes are vying for/achieving record performances) are proportionately more stringent. The rule is pretty simple – one and done. One step on or over the inside lane line when running on a curve and you are disqualified. These are the best athletes, and this is no longer a training ground. One and done.
Short answer: bogus DQ.
KD is Goat wrote:
leftists hate America wrote:
Only a mind-numbed leftist would equate this with thugs looting and destroying property and attacking innocent people.
law and order ?
um, you keep saying those words like they're relevant why? There is no LAW against stepping on the line of a track nor is it disORDERly conduct to do so.
Les wrote:
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I always thought the rule was the DQ is enforced if the runner gains an advantage by doing so.
Competitors have to run at a minimum, the race distance. If a runners steps on or inside the curb they aren't running the minimum distance and gain a competitive advantage over those that do.
That’s not proper logic, otherwise you could step inside and then step into lane 2 and still run the minimum distance.
Technically, the DQ is correct; there is no foul play involved. However, as a practical matter the DQ is stupid and there are several layers of officials who could have simply ignored the infraction. Except for racewalking, there is not much subjectivity in officiating. As much as I hate these stupid type of DQs, you open the door for far more problems if officials are allowed to determine when and how the rules are applied. With all of that said, unless there is someone asking for a DQ, stepping 'on the rail' in a one hour race is where you simply look away. Btw, being that the one-hour run is not listed in the IAAF table of events, the rules really don't apply.
streak wrote:
KD is Goat wrote:
law and order ?
um, you keep saying those words like they're relevant why? There is no LAW against stepping on the line of a track nor is it disORDERly conduct to do so.
Law and Order
Ghost of McEnroe wrote:
Les wrote:
Competitors have to run at a minimum, the race distance. If a runners steps on or inside the curb they aren't running the minimum distance and gain a competitive advantage over those that do.
What minimum race distance? This was a time-based race to see how far an athlete could run in that time. I don't think Kosgei gained any distance advantage by taking one step inside the line at that point.
She would be getting credit for running a distance she did not actually run.
Fair. just like any other sport. You have ALL that room, all eight lanes, and you step on the one thing ya can't.
judge judie wrote:
Competitors have to run at a minimum, the race distance. If a runners steps on or inside the curb they aren't running the minimum distance and gain a competitive advantage over those that do.
That’s not proper logic, otherwise you could step inside and then step into lane 2 and still run the minimum distance.[/quote]
Shoulda said the minimum legal distance.
Also. you would be DQed for stepping inside the curb, as Kosgei was.
If a runner steps inside the curb they are running less than the race distance, thus gaining a competitive advantage over those who don't step inside the curb. It's the same as giving the runner stepping inside the curb a head start -- they have a competitive advantage.
Who really. Cares
Les wrote:
If a runner steps inside the curb they are running less than the race distance, thus gaining a competitive advantage over those who don't step inside the curb. It's the same as giving the runner stepping inside the curb a head start -- they have a competitive advantage.
UltraDude wrote:
Didn't she step on the line on a straightaway? If so, then she actually ran EXTRA distance. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. If she stepped on the line on a turn then she would be running LESS distance and subject to disqualification. But I would vote for a rule that allows some discretion on the part of the race officials and a variety of possible penalties including a time penalty rather than only a disqualification or nothing.
Who cares?
It was a distance attempt and she lost.
The DQ should be a relief,. she can go next time with a clean slate.
Maybe carry an egg or something. Go for another record.
The track in Brussels appeared to have an elevated berm all the way around the inside lane, including the straights. There was no line to step on, only this berm. Did that berm house the wavelights???
As far as I know , there is only a slight element of subjectivity in the application of the rules for athletics. An official has to notice the possible infraction and decide to report it as an infraction. There is not a judge or jury otherwise reviewing video of every second of every race looking for infractions.
But most officiating judgements in athletics are clear (stepped on the line or did not step on the line). Once an official determines an infraction has occurred, tape can be reviewed to confirm it.
The only truly fair way to officiate is to report every infraction that is noticed.
Having officials subjectively consider other things in determining whether or not they should report an infraction would be a nightmare. It would introduce too much inconsistency in officiating. And where would they draw the line in making thosw decision? If stepping on the line once is not an infraction in an hour long race, at what distance would it become an infraction? 10k? Mile? 1500?
One of the great things about athletics is that the rules are simple and strict. The outcomes are black or white. Someone wins and someone loses and they finished in this almost exactly precise time.
The officials do not determine the outcomes in athletics, the athletes do.
True, but they are pretty strict about the no stepping inside the curb rule. I believe when Robby Andrews was DQed he did the same thing. Also, if people were allowed to step inside the curb on straights, then runners could pass on the inside of the track -- I believe some have tried.
Fair but extremely nit picky.