Is Jakob Ingebrigtsen FINISHED?

Heres Jonny wrote:

I look at Jakob and I see a fairly young runner who has essentially maxed out. He may end up running 3:28, 7:30, 12:55 and 26:55. However, I think he is fairly close to that now and I just do not see his arc of improvement yielding much, if anything, beyond the above times. It is still a great career for the young man but there just doesn’t seem to be much room for improvement.

You people really are pathetic. You do realise there have been these threads since he was FOURTEEN?

Even if he mysteriously doesn't improve anymore at age 19 after clearly making another big jump from last year, he's still only one more Kenyan bust away from being the dominant 1500m runner on Earth.

Coevett wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

I look at Jakob and I see a fairly young runner who has essentially maxed out. He may end up running 3:28, 7:30, 12:55 and 26:55. However, I think he is fairly close to that now and I just do not see his arc of improvement yielding much, if anything, beyond the above times. It is still a great career for the young man but there just doesn’t seem to be much room for improvement.

You people really are pathetic. You do realise there have been these threads since he was FOURTEEN?

Even if he mysteriously doesn't improve anymore at age 19 after clearly making another big jump from last year, he's still only one more Kenyan bust away from being the dominant 1500m runner on Earth.

As much as he is only one Norwegian bust away from ending his career.

We have as much reason to believe Tim is doping as Jakob is.

And please spare us your Kenyan busts copy/pasting.

At least Kenya is catching dopers and not afraid of going after their own big names, like Kiprop, Manang'oi or Kipsang.

LOL, he will improve the next years.. Clearly, but with 3.28 there will be limits. But come on, he is going to be better.

Heres Jonny wrote:

Brazilian Guy wrote:

He seems more likely to run under 3:26 than it would be for El Guerrouj to break his world record again.

Well yeah but remember Hicham is almost 46 so although I agree with you, Hicham has ZERO chance while Jakob probably has a one in a trillion chance due to drugs, shoe and track technology, etc. However, the smart money says Jakob is now going to essentially plateau.

What I meant was "...than it would be for El Guerrouj to break his WR a second time"

Something that at the time he said he was capable of doing.

Seems much likely that El Guerrouj had plateaued at 3:26 at +24yo than Jakob having plateaued at mid 3:28 at 19yo.

Physical maturing alone goes until 21yo or so.

So I think that also taking into account training and experience from racing the smart money says the kid can still improve, even if only a tiny bit.

Im really a fan of Jakob. So for the 2000m Imposible Games I thought maybe he will make 4:55 like Lagat did. That would be a big success for a 19 year old boy. What happened? Bum! 4:50 with european record! Big names like Lagat, Ngeny, Aouita, Cram, Ovett, Coe are behind him in the all timebest list. Then came 1500m of Monaco. I thought maybe he will break the 3:30. But if he still stands on the 3:30 Level , that would be a success. He has to mature. He is still 19. What happened? BUM ! 3:28:68 European record! Big names like Komen, Manangoi, Aouita, Cram, Coe , Evett, Cacho, Farah are behind him in the all timebestlist. Despite being a fan and wishing all the best for him, he is always surprising me tremendously. And you are saying he is finished? Come on. Dont compare him with Ryun, Tanui or Kwemoi. They burned out, overtraining with lactateburning tough intervalltraining. This is not happening with the careful training of his father.

Also i want to say that his 3:28 should be also U20 Worldrecord. The actual rules are not benefiting guys who were born late in the year. Like Jakob, who was born in September. People who were born in January are taking advantage. Thats not fair. U20 means U20, independently of year. And Jakob is running 3:28 being 19 Years old.

He's going to need to develop a world class kick like Farah developed in order to win Championships at the Olympic and World Championships.

It might hurt him that Tokyo 2020 will be cancelled next year. Spectators will not be back in full force by the summer and the Games will be cancelled so he will have to wait until 2024 for his shot at history.

Times are great, but he does not want to end up as the next Daniel Komen - legendary in his own right, but with zero Olympic Gold.

Pajac wrote:

Coevett wrote:

You people really are pathetic. You do realise there have been these threads since he was FOURTEEN?

Even if he mysteriously doesn't improve anymore at age 19 after clearly making another big jump from last year, he's still only one more Kenyan bust away from being the dominant 1500m runner on Earth.

As much as he is only one Norwegian bust away from ending his career.

We have as much reason to believe Tim is doping as Jakob is.

And please spare us your Kenyan busts copy/pasting.

At least Kenya is catching dopers and not afraid of going after their own big names, like Kiprop, Manang'oi or Kipsang.

I was wondering where El K had gone.

Not afraid.of going after their big names? You mean Kenya realizes it is a hairs breath away from being suspended like Russia and has finally Ben forced at gunpoint to bring in a semblance of testing.

No, we have more reason to believe Tim is doping than Jakob because his training partner just got busted, the 67th bust in 5 years, including the other top 1500 Kenyan and friend of Tim - Kiprop. Only to the few psychopathic circle jerk minds of LetsDope does each new Kenyan bust provide 'evidence' that Europe has a doping problem.

birdbeard wrote:

I guess he’ll settle for being the best non-African of all time if he doesn’t improve anymore.

Even if he stayed at 3:28 his whole career he’ll come away with some medals. Not sure about his 10,000 ability but I think he will be a medal contender in the 1500 and 5000 until at least like 2032

I think he has good potential for 10,000. He ran a 27:54 in less than optimal conditions, and by himself for the last 7-8k. He wasn't even trained to run a 10K, and it wasn't an important race (not even for time).

But I think he will focus on the 1500 until at least he's 23-24yo, then I expect him to focus on the 5000-10000.

I think he can run sub 12:50 for 5000m, and sub 26:50 for the 10000m.

Coevett wrote:

You people really are pathetic. You do realise there have been these threads since he was FOURTEEN?

He is peaking. Meaning of the word peaking? Going from one peak to a higher peak every year.

Heres Jonny wrote:

I look at Jakob and I see a fairly young runner who has essentially maxed out. He may end up running 3:28, 7:30, 12:55 and 26:55. However, I think he is fairly close to that now and I just do not see his arc of improvement yielding much, if anything, beyond the above times. It is still a great career for the young man but there just doesn’t seem to be much room for improvement.

You're really an assh*le, peoples have been saying that since he was 13yo.

The guy shaved off 2 secondes of his pr to run 3:28 and all you have to say is this bullsh*t. How the hell is a 19yo running 3:28 "finished".

I'd kill to be "finished" because only running 3:28. No American born has ever run that fast.

Even if his speed doesn't improve anymore, with 3:28 1500m speed and his strength, during the next 10 years he can medal at every event from the 1500 up to the marathon.

Please let's stop talking about doping, this is going nowhere. Jakob will be the best and he doesn't need anyone to get busted for him to be dominant. If you believe in Jakob like I do, then you know he's still improving and he'll become the best no matter what happens (except some serious injuries).

This guy is becoming so good that theses discussions about east Africans doping or not are pointless for him now.

Pajac wrote:

Coevett wrote:

You people really are pathetic. You do realise there have been these threads since he was FOURTEEN?

Even if he mysteriously doesn't improve anymore at age 19 after clearly making another big jump from last year, he's still only one more Kenyan bust away from being the dominant 1500m runner on Earth.

As much as he is only one Norwegian bust away from ending his career.

We have as much reason to believe Tim is doping as Jakob is.

And please spare us your Kenyan busts copy/pasting.

At least Kenya is catching dopers and not afraid of going after their own big names, like Kiprop, Manang'oi or Kipsang.

Kenya is catching dopers? I thought it was the Athletic Integrity Unit who caught all the kenyans!!

And why do you have reason to believe Jakob is doping as Tim? You know that norwegian busts in sports can be counted on ONE hand for the last 10 years. You have maybe the occational rotten egg, but there is not a doping culture among athletes. I am 100% sure the Ingebrigtsens are not doping. For instance, they have a camera-team around them almost 24/7, for the making of the tv-show!

I don't say that Tim is doping. But with the country's doping history, and now with his training partner, and the footage of the kenyan runners before the 2019 world champs getting epo injections and the kenyan leaders in the championships being caught for bribary for telling the athletes when the testers are coming!

Kenyan doping history is on another planet than Norway's. It's just hilarious that you say that "we have as much reason to believe Tim is doping as Jakob is."

Please let's stop talking about JI being best at anything this is going nowhere.

Comparison to ElG us absurd because ElG actually won practically all of his races.

So does Tim C.

So did Coe.

Until JI can bring some wins (that matter) these fanboi critiques about being the best ever are just as laughable as the troll posts.

Yes he is on track to be the best runner of all time. It seems that some fans are rooting against him just due to his color.

Well yeah, that much is obvious. Look at the times we live in.

Herrreeeeee's Jonnnnnnny! lol you just tryna create drama ma dude! sillllllliness at it's finest.

coaching the best wrote:

Yes he is on track to be the best runner of all time. It seems that some fans are rooting against him just due to his color.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

On track to be the best runner if all time??

Tim C is just as young and is actually winning races.

Now. In his prime.

International races. Not Norwegian nationals or North-Western European regional "championships" or Ingebrgsten only time trials.

At least Mo Farrah won races, if not set WRs.

Jakob doesn't win races or set WRs yet is declared the "best ever" by his pasty white fanbois

I think they are about 5 years apart. That is like saying Yared Nuguse has no future because he has never even made a US team. Or like saying Nico Young is not good because he got smoked by a bunch of guys in a 3k this year.

Fasterer wrote:

coaching the best wrote:

Yes he is on track to be the best runner of all time. It seems that some fans are rooting against him just due to his color.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

On track to be the best runner if all time??

Tim C is just as young and is actually winning races.

Now. In his prime.

International races. Not Norwegian nationals or North-Western European regional "championships" or Ingebrgsten only time trials.

At least Mo Farrah won races, if not set WRs.

Jakob doesn't win races or set WRs yet is declared the "best ever" by his pasty white fanbois

Tim C is just as young? he is 5 years older than Jakob, hopefully Jakob will continue to improve the next 5 years. He may not beat Tim C, but it is certainly not a done deal yet.