Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread

Why is #30 Texas in the slow race?

Why aren't the Oregon Women running it's to 2 Neer and Baxter they haven't run all year long are they redshirting? thanks

Certainly don't want to hijack this thread, but the bigger issue that was touched upon in the preview is the way schools qualify for the championship race.

It is briefly mentioned how unimportant the regular season is, and only one or two meets (outside of conference/regional) have any significance.

How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season. Can you blame them as the races don't count?

ADs will cut XC programs because they rarely race, and how's fault would that be?

Outside the conference/regional race, we are supposed to get excited over one big race all season?

I do not have the answers, but these coaches should. Something needs to change ASAP. Is it possible to be more fringe than it currently is?

Texas obviously does not want to run in the fast race. It is likely that Herbster just wants a confidence builder going into the championship season.

LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.

This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.

I agree 100%. I also ran in college about a million years ago and we raced every weekend too. Some races might have been low key dual meets, but it still had an article in the school paper.If coaches are worried about over racing, have them race 8Ks.The infrequency is killing the sport. There is no reason to write about it in school newspapers if they don't have a race.

Not Enough Racing wrote:

LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.

This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.

Women's race about to go off.

Live results are here: http://branchsportstech.com/2014_Meets/xc/10-18-PreNats/Web/Timetable.php

anyone else having no sound?

I have sound.

Women's top 10 at 4k

1 Georgetown 66

2 Michigan 99

3 Colorado 103

4 Oregon 126

5 North Carolina St. 133

6 Princeton 157

7 Baylor 157

8 Lamar 205

9 Penn State 224

10 California 236

Top athletes at 4k. I think the places are off by one (so Johnson is in first).

Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points

2 Rachel Johnson

SR - Baylor 13:27.1 3:20.4 ↓ 1 1

3 Erin Finn

SO - Michigan 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 2

4 Katrina Coogan

SR - Georgetown 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 3

5 Megan Curham

SO - Princeton 13:36.7 3:29.0 ↓ 1 4

6 Kaitlyn Fischer

SO - Missouri 13:40.4 3:32.1 ↓ 1

7 Victoria Voronko

SR - Eastern Michigan 13:46.4 3:28.9 ↑ 2

8 Danielle Shanahan

SO - Loyola Marymount 13:46.4 3:29.1 ↓ 1

9 Bethan Knights

FR - California 13:46.5 3:28.8 ↑ 2 5

10 Erin Clark

SO - Colorado 13:46.5 3:28.9 ↔ 6

11 Grace Graham-Zamudio

SR - Loyola Marymount 13:50.0 3:27.2 ↑ 22

12 Elizabeth Chikotas

FR - Penn State 13:50.2 3:32.0 ↑ 2 7

13 Lauren Sara

SR - Connecticut 13:50.2 3:28.9 ↑ 15

14 Alex Davis

SO - Baylor 13:52.4 3:34.5 ↓ 2 8

15 Kelsey Smith

JR - Georgetown 13:52.5 3:32.1 ↑ 4 9

16 Joanna Thompson

SR - North Carolina St. 13:52.5 3:34.4 ↓ 3 10

17 Madeline Chambers

SR - Georgetown 13:52.9 3:32.5 ↑ 1 11

18 Kathryn Fluehr

SO - Princeton 13:53.0 3:32.4 ↑ 5 12

19 Annie Kelly

SO - Colorado 13:53.1 3:34.6 ↓ 4 13

20 Kira Garry

SR - Yale 13:56.4 3:34.1 ↑ 11 14

21 Shannon Osika

JR - Michigan 13:56.6 3:34.0 ↑ 11 15

22 Mara Olson

SR - Butler 13:56.8 3:39.4 ↓ 14

23 Emily Durgin

JR - Connecticut 13:57.1 3:36.5 ↓ 1

24 Haley Pierce

SO - Georgetown 13:57.2 3:37.8 ↓ 8 16

25 Erik Kemp

SO - North Carolina St. 13:57.3 3:32.7 ↑ 20 17

Updated team scores (4k):

Place Team Points

1 Georgetown 93

2 Michigan 152

3 Colorado 162

4 Oregon 181

5 North Carolina St. 217

6 Princeton 273

7 Baylor 280

8 Lamar 351

9 Penn State 362

10 California 438

finish line live results are all jumbled

Unofficial results

Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points

1 Rachel Johnson

SR - Baylor 20:21.1 6:54.0 ↔ 1

2 Megan Curham

SO - Princeton 20:36.4 6:59.8 ↑ 2 2

3 Katrina Coogan

SR - Georgetown 20:37.7 7:05.6 ↔ 3

4 Erin Finn

SO - Michigan 20:43.3 7:11.3 ↓ 2 4

5 Bethan Knights

FR - California 20:51.3 7:04.9 ↑ 3 5

6 Victoria Voronko

SR - Eastern Michigan 20:52.3 7:06.0 ↔

7 Erin Clark

SO - Colorado 20:54.1 7:07.6 ↑ 2 6

8 Elizabeth Chikotas

FR - Penn State 21:00.9 7:10.7 ↑ 4 7

9 Kaitlyn Fischer

SO - Missouri 21:01.6 7:21.3 ↓ 4 8

10 Danielle Shanahan

SO - Loyola Marymount 21:02.8 7:16.4 ↓ 3 9

11 Lauren Sara

SR - Connecticut 21:03.6 7:13.4 ↑ 2

12 Joanna Thompson

SR - North Carolina St. 21:04.1 7:11.6 ↑ 4 10

13 Cali Roper

SO - Rice 21:05.1 7:07.5 ↑ 14

14 Erik Kemp

SO - North Carolina St. 21:07.1 7:09.9 ↑ 11 11

15 Grace Graham-Zamudio

SR - Loyola Marymount 21:09.3 7:19.4 ↓ 4 12

16 Melanie Townsend

SO - Northern Arizona 21:09.8 7:23.2 ↓ 6 13

17 Christine Hoffmann

JR - UC Davis 21:11.0 7:12.7 ↑ 12 14

18 Megan Patrignelli

SR - Oregon 21:12.0 7:11.7 ↑ 21 15

19 Kelsey Smith

JR - Georgetown 21:12.8 7:20.4 ↓ 4 16

20 Madeline Chambers

SR - Georgetown 21:13.0 7:20.2 ↓ 3 17

That's a big win for Johnson and a big breakthrough for Curham. Johnson was second at Roy Griak (beat Crystal Nelson).

Women's unofficial

Place Team Points

1 Georgetown 110

2 Oregon 139

3 Michigan 143

4 Colorado 186

5 North Carolina St. 233

6 Princeton 288

7 Baylor 302

8 Lamar 345

9 California 369

10 Penn State 405

11 Northern Arizona 468

12 Lipscomb 480

13 Utah 507

14 Bradley 511

15 Tulsa 517

16 Yale 518

17 Rice 518

18 Eastern Michigan 522

19 Wyoming 523

20 Loyola Marymount 538

21 Eastern Kentucky 597

22 Connecticut 598

23 Missouri 629

24 Furman 633

25 Elon 639

26 Kansas State 677

27 Miami (Ohio) 689

28 UC Davis 691

29 Butler 696

30 Purdue 714

31 Northwestern 739

32 Kansas 747

33 Texas 756

34 Colorado St. 763

35 Kentucky 770

36 Montana State 812

37 Wichita State 885

38 Texas-Arlington 906

39 Arkansas State 909

40 La Salle 962

41 Pittsburgh 1021

42 Mississippi 1127

43 Toledo 1206

Not a great day for UM. MSU looked great at Wico and will take over the # 1 spot in the rankings.

Damn if Oregon would just run it's top 2 of Baxter and Neer they would be locks to win NCAA. Are Neer and Baxter injured? you got to figure both of them at worst finish top 10 in this race and Baxter top 3. :(