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    • andyR
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/16/2014 1:04PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • andyR
      • Why is #30 Texas in the slow race?
    • they call me flopro
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/16/2014 1:19PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • they call me flopro
      • Why aren't the Oregon Women running it's to 2 Neer and Baxter they haven't run all year long are they redshirting? thanks
    • LI Runner
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/16/2014 1:36PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • LI Runner
      • Certainly don't want to hijack this thread, but the bigger issue that was touched upon in the preview is the way schools qualify for the championship race.

        It is briefly mentioned how unimportant the regular season is, and only one or two meets (outside of conference/regional) have any significance.

        How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season. Can you blame them as the races don't count?

        ADs will cut XC programs because they rarely race, and how's fault would that be?

        Outside the conference/regional race, we are supposed to get excited over one big race all season?

        I do not have the answers, but these coaches should. Something needs to change ASAP. Is it possible to be more fringe than it currently is?
    • wack
      • Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/16/2014 2:18PM - in reply to andyR
      • wack
      • Texas obviously does not want to run in the fast race. It is likely that Herbster just wants a confidence builder going into the championship season.
    • Not Enough Racing
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/17/2014 1:52PM - in reply to LI Runner
      • Not Enough Racing
      • LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.
        This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

        Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.
    • LI Runner
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/17/2014 2:51PM - in reply to Not Enough Racing
      • LI Runner
      • I agree 100%. I also ran in college about a million years ago and we raced every weekend too. Some races might have been low key dual meets, but it still had an article in the school paper.

        If coaches are worried about over racing, have them race 8Ks.

        The infrequency is killing the sport. There is no reason to write about it in school newspapers if they don't have a race.


        Not Enough Racing wrote:
        LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.
        This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

        Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:15AM - in reply to mpls
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • Women's top 10 at 4k

        1 Georgetown 66
        2 Michigan 99
        3 Colorado 103
        4 Oregon 126
        5 North Carolina St. 133
        6 Princeton 157
        7 Baylor 157
        8 Lamar 205
        9 Penn State 224
        10 California 236
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:16AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • Top athletes at 4k. I think the places are off by one (so Johnson is in first).

        Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
        2 Rachel Johnson
        SR - Baylor 13:27.1 3:20.4 ↓ 1 1
        3 Erin Finn
        SO - Michigan 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 2
        4 Katrina Coogan
        SR - Georgetown 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 3
        5 Megan Curham
        SO - Princeton 13:36.7 3:29.0 ↓ 1 4
        6 Kaitlyn Fischer
        SO - Missouri 13:40.4 3:32.1 ↓ 1
        7 Victoria Voronko
        SR - Eastern Michigan 13:46.4 3:28.9 ↑ 2
        8 Danielle Shanahan
        SO - Loyola Marymount 13:46.4 3:29.1 ↓ 1
        9 Bethan Knights
        FR - California 13:46.5 3:28.8 ↑ 2 5
        10 Erin Clark
        SO - Colorado 13:46.5 3:28.9 ↔ 6
        11 Grace Graham-Zamudio
        SR - Loyola Marymount 13:50.0 3:27.2 ↑ 22
        12 Elizabeth Chikotas
        FR - Penn State 13:50.2 3:32.0 ↑ 2 7
        13 Lauren Sara
        SR - Connecticut 13:50.2 3:28.9 ↑ 15
        14 Alex Davis
        SO - Baylor 13:52.4 3:34.5 ↓ 2 8
        15 Kelsey Smith
        JR - Georgetown 13:52.5 3:32.1 ↑ 4 9
        16 Joanna Thompson
        SR - North Carolina St. 13:52.5 3:34.4 ↓ 3 10
        17 Madeline Chambers
        SR - Georgetown 13:52.9 3:32.5 ↑ 1 11
        18 Kathryn Fluehr
        SO - Princeton 13:53.0 3:32.4 ↑ 5 12
        19 Annie Kelly
        SO - Colorado 13:53.1 3:34.6 ↓ 4 13
        20 Kira Garry
        SR - Yale 13:56.4 3:34.1 ↑ 11 14
        21 Shannon Osika
        JR - Michigan 13:56.6 3:34.0 ↑ 11 15
        22 Mara Olson
        SR - Butler 13:56.8 3:39.4 ↓ 14
        23 Emily Durgin
        JR - Connecticut 13:57.1 3:36.5 ↓ 1
        24 Haley Pierce
        SO - Georgetown 13:57.2 3:37.8 ↓ 8 16
        25 Erik Kemp
        SO - North Carolina St. 13:57.3 3:32.7 ↑ 20 17
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:17AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • Updated team scores (4k):
        Place Team Points
        1 Georgetown 93
        2 Michigan 152
        3 Colorado 162
        4 Oregon 181
        5 North Carolina St. 217
        6 Princeton 273
        7 Baylor 280
        8 Lamar 351
        9 Penn State 362
        10 California 438
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:23AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • Unofficial results

        Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
        1 Rachel Johnson
        SR - Baylor 20:21.1 6:54.0 ↔ 1
        2 Megan Curham
        SO - Princeton 20:36.4 6:59.8 ↑ 2 2
        3 Katrina Coogan
        SR - Georgetown 20:37.7 7:05.6 ↔ 3
        4 Erin Finn
        SO - Michigan 20:43.3 7:11.3 ↓ 2 4
        5 Bethan Knights
        FR - California 20:51.3 7:04.9 ↑ 3 5
        6 Victoria Voronko
        SR - Eastern Michigan 20:52.3 7:06.0 ↔
        7 Erin Clark
        SO - Colorado 20:54.1 7:07.6 ↑ 2 6
        8 Elizabeth Chikotas
        FR - Penn State 21:00.9 7:10.7 ↑ 4 7
        9 Kaitlyn Fischer
        SO - Missouri 21:01.6 7:21.3 ↓ 4 8
        10 Danielle Shanahan
        SO - Loyola Marymount 21:02.8 7:16.4 ↓ 3 9
        11 Lauren Sara
        SR - Connecticut 21:03.6 7:13.4 ↑ 2
        12 Joanna Thompson
        SR - North Carolina St. 21:04.1 7:11.6 ↑ 4 10
        13 Cali Roper
        SO - Rice 21:05.1 7:07.5 ↑ 14
        14 Erik Kemp
        SO - North Carolina St. 21:07.1 7:09.9 ↑ 11 11
        15 Grace Graham-Zamudio
        SR - Loyola Marymount 21:09.3 7:19.4 ↓ 4 12
        16 Melanie Townsend
        SO - Northern Arizona 21:09.8 7:23.2 ↓ 6 13
        17 Christine Hoffmann
        JR - UC Davis 21:11.0 7:12.7 ↑ 12 14
        18 Megan Patrignelli
        SR - Oregon 21:12.0 7:11.7 ↑ 21 15
        19 Kelsey Smith
        JR - Georgetown 21:12.8 7:20.4 ↓ 4 16
        20 Madeline Chambers
        SR - Georgetown 21:13.0 7:20.2 ↓ 3 17
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:25AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • That's a big win for Johnson and a big breakthrough for Curham. Johnson was second at Roy Griak (beat Crystal Nelson).
    • Jonathan Gault
      LRC guru
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:26AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • Jonathan Gault
        LRC guru
      • Women's unofficial
        Place Team Points
        1 Georgetown 110
        2 Oregon 139
        3 Michigan 143
        4 Colorado 186
        5 North Carolina St. 233
        6 Princeton 288
        7 Baylor 302
        8 Lamar 345
        9 California 369
        10 Penn State 405
        11 Northern Arizona 468
        12 Lipscomb 480
        13 Utah 507
        14 Bradley 511
        15 Tulsa 517
        16 Yale 518
        17 Rice 518
        18 Eastern Michigan 522
        19 Wyoming 523
        20 Loyola Marymount 538
        21 Eastern Kentucky 597
        22 Connecticut 598
        23 Missouri 629
        24 Furman 633
        25 Elon 639
        26 Kansas State 677
        27 Miami (Ohio) 689
        28 UC Davis 691
        29 Butler 696
        30 Purdue 714
        31 Northwestern 739
        32 Kansas 747
        33 Texas 756
        34 Colorado St. 763
        35 Kentucky 770
        36 Montana State 812
        37 Wichita State 885
        38 Texas-Arlington 906
        39 Arkansas State 909
        40 La Salle 962
        41 Pittsburgh 1021
        42 Mississippi 1127
        43 Toledo 1206
    • MGOBLUE
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:30AM - in reply to Jonathan Gault
      • MGOBLUE
      • Not a great day for UM. MSU looked great at Wico and will take over the # 1 spot in the rankings.
    • they call me flopro
      • RE: Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread 10/18/2014 10:37AM - in reply to MGOBLUE
      • they call me flopro
      • Damn if Oregon would just run it's top 2 of Baxter and Neer they would be locks to win NCAA. Are Neer and Baxter injured? you got to figure both of them at worst finish top 10 in this race and Baxter top 3. :(