Official 2014 Pre-Nats Discussion Thread

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  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    5 years ago 10/16/2014 11:15am CDT
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    We've written over 3,000 words previewing the Wisco and Pre-Nats meets this weekend.

    You can find the Pre-Nats preview here:

    http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/10/pre-nats-preview-1-colorado-men-vs-2-oregon-1-michigan-women-vs-3-oregon-vs-4-georgetown/

    Wisco preview here:

    http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/10/2014-adidas-wisconsin-preview-incredible-19-ranked-mens-teams-22-ranked-womens-teams-ready-battle/

    Tell us what you think will happen at Pre-Nats below.
  • andyR
    5 years ago 10/16/2014 1:04pm CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    Why is #30 Texas in the slow race?
  • they call me flopro
    5 years ago 10/16/2014 1:19pm CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    Why aren't the Oregon Women running it's to 2 Neer and Baxter they haven't run all year long are they redshirting? thanks
  • LI Runner
    5 years ago 10/16/2014 1:36pm CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    Certainly don't want to hijack this thread, but the bigger issue that was touched upon in the preview is the way schools qualify for the championship race.

    It is briefly mentioned how unimportant the regular season is, and only one or two meets (outside of conference/regional) have any significance.

    How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season. Can you blame them as the races don't count?

    ADs will cut XC programs because they rarely race, and how's fault would that be?

    Outside the conference/regional race, we are supposed to get excited over one big race all season?

    I do not have the answers, but these coaches should. Something needs to change ASAP. Is it possible to be more fringe than it currently is?
  • wack
    5 years ago 10/16/2014 2:18pm CDT
    re: andyR
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    Texas obviously does not want to run in the fast race. It is likely that Herbster just wants a confidence builder going into the championship season.
  • Not Enough Racing
    5 years ago 10/17/2014 1:52pm CDT
    re: LI Runner
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    LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.

    This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

    Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.
  • LI Runner
    5 years ago 10/17/2014 2:51pm CDT
    re: Not Enough Racing
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    I agree 100%. I also ran in college about a million years ago and we raced every weekend too. Some races might have been low key dual meets, but it still had an article in the school paper.

    If coaches are worried about over racing, have them race 8Ks.

    The infrequency is killing the sport. There is no reason to write about it in school newspapers if they don't have a race.


    Not Enough Racing wrote:

    LI Runner wrote: How is the sport suppose to attract fans when there are hardly any meets? How do I follow my alma mater when they only race 6 times during the season.

    This has been a lament of mine for a long time. A million years ago when I ran in college, we raced practically every weekend. We'd take weekends off only before the conference and NCAA District meets. It was a helluva lot of fun!

    Fast forward to today...Not only do teams rarely race, but their big guns compete only 2 or 3 times a year. I assume the lack of frequency in team racing could be budget related, but resting the studs for all but a couple of meets is ridiculous. If I was running CC in college today, I'd be sneaking in as many road and trail races as possible.
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:00am CDT
    re: LI Runner
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    Women's race about to go off.
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:02am CDT
    re: Jonathan Gault
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    Live results are here: http://branchsportstech.com/2014_Meets/xc/10-18-PreNats/Web/Timetable.php
  • no sound
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:03am CDT
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    anyone else having no sound?
  • mpls
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:08am CDT
    re: no sound
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    I have sound.
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:15am CDT
    re: mpls
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    Women's top 10 at 4k

    1 Georgetown 66
    2 Michigan 99
    3 Colorado 103
    4 Oregon 126
    5 North Carolina St. 133
    6 Princeton 157
    7 Baylor 157
    8 Lamar 205
    9 Penn State 224
    10 California 236
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:16am CDT
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    Top athletes at 4k. I think the places are off by one (so Johnson is in first).

    Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
    2 Rachel Johnson
    SR - Baylor 13:27.1 3:20.4 ↓ 1 1
    3 Erin Finn
    SO - Michigan 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 2
    4 Katrina Coogan
    SR - Georgetown 13:32.1 3:25.3 ↓ 1 3
    5 Megan Curham
    SO - Princeton 13:36.7 3:29.0 ↓ 1 4
    6 Kaitlyn Fischer
    SO - Missouri 13:40.4 3:32.1 ↓ 1
    7 Victoria Voronko
    SR - Eastern Michigan 13:46.4 3:28.9 ↑ 2
    8 Danielle Shanahan
    SO - Loyola Marymount 13:46.4 3:29.1 ↓ 1
    9 Bethan Knights
    FR - California 13:46.5 3:28.8 ↑ 2 5
    10 Erin Clark
    SO - Colorado 13:46.5 3:28.9 ↔ 6
    11 Grace Graham-Zamudio
    SR - Loyola Marymount 13:50.0 3:27.2 ↑ 22
    12 Elizabeth Chikotas
    FR - Penn State 13:50.2 3:32.0 ↑ 2 7
    13 Lauren Sara
    SR - Connecticut 13:50.2 3:28.9 ↑ 15
    14 Alex Davis
    SO - Baylor 13:52.4 3:34.5 ↓ 2 8
    15 Kelsey Smith
    JR - Georgetown 13:52.5 3:32.1 ↑ 4 9
    16 Joanna Thompson
    SR - North Carolina St. 13:52.5 3:34.4 ↓ 3 10
    17 Madeline Chambers
    SR - Georgetown 13:52.9 3:32.5 ↑ 1 11
    18 Kathryn Fluehr
    SO - Princeton 13:53.0 3:32.4 ↑ 5 12
    19 Annie Kelly
    SO - Colorado 13:53.1 3:34.6 ↓ 4 13
    20 Kira Garry
    SR - Yale 13:56.4 3:34.1 ↑ 11 14
    21 Shannon Osika
    JR - Michigan 13:56.6 3:34.0 ↑ 11 15
    22 Mara Olson
    SR - Butler 13:56.8 3:39.4 ↓ 14
    23 Emily Durgin
    JR - Connecticut 13:57.1 3:36.5 ↓ 1
    24 Haley Pierce
    SO - Georgetown 13:57.2 3:37.8 ↓ 8 16
    25 Erik Kemp
    SO - North Carolina St. 13:57.3 3:32.7 ↑ 20 17
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:17am CDT
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    Updated team scores (4k):
    Place Team Points
    1 Georgetown 93
    2 Michigan 152
    3 Colorado 162
    4 Oregon 181
    5 North Carolina St. 217
    6 Princeton 273
    7 Baylor 280
    8 Lamar 351
    9 Penn State 362
    10 California 438
  • I live for game 7
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:22am CDT
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    finish line live results are all jumbled
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:23am CDT
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    Unofficial results

    Place Athlete Name Time Split Move Points
    1 Rachel Johnson
    SR - Baylor 20:21.1 6:54.0 ↔ 1
    2 Megan Curham
    SO - Princeton 20:36.4 6:59.8 ↑ 2 2
    3 Katrina Coogan
    SR - Georgetown 20:37.7 7:05.6 ↔ 3
    4 Erin Finn
    SO - Michigan 20:43.3 7:11.3 ↓ 2 4
    5 Bethan Knights
    FR - California 20:51.3 7:04.9 ↑ 3 5
    6 Victoria Voronko
    SR - Eastern Michigan 20:52.3 7:06.0 ↔
    7 Erin Clark
    SO - Colorado 20:54.1 7:07.6 ↑ 2 6
    8 Elizabeth Chikotas
    FR - Penn State 21:00.9 7:10.7 ↑ 4 7
    9 Kaitlyn Fischer
    SO - Missouri 21:01.6 7:21.3 ↓ 4 8
    10 Danielle Shanahan
    SO - Loyola Marymount 21:02.8 7:16.4 ↓ 3 9
    11 Lauren Sara
    SR - Connecticut 21:03.6 7:13.4 ↑ 2
    12 Joanna Thompson
    SR - North Carolina St. 21:04.1 7:11.6 ↑ 4 10
    13 Cali Roper
    SO - Rice 21:05.1 7:07.5 ↑ 14
    14 Erik Kemp
    SO - North Carolina St. 21:07.1 7:09.9 ↑ 11 11
    15 Grace Graham-Zamudio
    SR - Loyola Marymount 21:09.3 7:19.4 ↓ 4 12
    16 Melanie Townsend
    SO - Northern Arizona 21:09.8 7:23.2 ↓ 6 13
    17 Christine Hoffmann
    JR - UC Davis 21:11.0 7:12.7 ↑ 12 14
    18 Megan Patrignelli
    SR - Oregon 21:12.0 7:11.7 ↑ 21 15
    19 Kelsey Smith
    JR - Georgetown 21:12.8 7:20.4 ↓ 4 16
    20 Madeline Chambers
    SR - Georgetown 21:13.0 7:20.2 ↓ 3 17
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:25am CDT
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    That's a big win for Johnson and a big breakthrough for Curham. Johnson was second at Roy Griak (beat Crystal Nelson).
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:26am CDT
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    Women's unofficial
    Place Team Points
    1 Georgetown 110
    2 Oregon 139
    3 Michigan 143
    4 Colorado 186
    5 North Carolina St. 233
    6 Princeton 288
    7 Baylor 302
    8 Lamar 345
    9 California 369
    10 Penn State 405
    11 Northern Arizona 468
    12 Lipscomb 480
    13 Utah 507
    14 Bradley 511
    15 Tulsa 517
    16 Yale 518
    17 Rice 518
    18 Eastern Michigan 522
    19 Wyoming 523
    20 Loyola Marymount 538
    21 Eastern Kentucky 597
    22 Connecticut 598
    23 Missouri 629
    24 Furman 633
    25 Elon 639
    26 Kansas State 677
    27 Miami (Ohio) 689
    28 UC Davis 691
    29 Butler 696
    30 Purdue 714
    31 Northwestern 739
    32 Kansas 747
    33 Texas 756
    34 Colorado St. 763
    35 Kentucky 770
    36 Montana State 812
    37 Wichita State 885
    38 Texas-Arlington 906
    39 Arkansas State 909
    40 La Salle 962
    41 Pittsburgh 1021
    42 Mississippi 1127
    43 Toledo 1206
  • MGOBLUE
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:30am CDT
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    Not a great day for UM. MSU looked great at Wico and will take over the # 1 spot in the rankings.
  • they call me flopro
    5 years ago 10/18/2014 10:37am CDT
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    Damn if Oregon would just run it's top 2 of Baxter and Neer they would be locks to win NCAA. Are Neer and Baxter injured? you got to figure both of them at worst finish top 10 in this race and Baxter top 3. :(