Tee hee. Awesome day.
Now, if USADA would finally act on NOP...
Tee hee. Awesome day.
Now, if USADA would finally act on NOP...
Desi Linden has crushed this thread.....
I'd like to be a nobody wrote:
A nobody who has been in the top 4 at Boston twice.
Too bad you can't edit your comments on Letsrun so you don't look so . . . you know . . . dumb.
Larry Dickman wrote:
I'd like to be a nobody wrote:
A nobody who has been in the top 4 at Boston twice.
Too bad you can't edit your comments on Letsrun so you don't look so . . . you know . . . dumb.
You are the one that looks dumb man. Context. He was making fun of a poster who called her a "nobody" by pointing out that she's been top 4 at Boston twice (now 3 times, with a win).
DESI WINS TWICE. Always tell the truth.
where is
1 - Dathan
2 - Jordan
3 - Galen
cheaters
Vbhgcfg wrote:
Why would she think they’d consult her? She’s on the downside of her career looks like she wants out of the grind. I expect her to flop on Monday
lmfao
Ritz didn't seem to care
So I don't have to scroll through the whole thread. What did she say? Where did she say it? Is there a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uphk-Rwm18asdfadf wrote:
So I don't have to scroll through the whole thread. What did she say? Where did she say it? Is there a link?
First of all, congratulations to Desi, for her tough win on a day under terrible conditions when most of the best dropped out. Still I'm scratching my head over her lukewarm pre-race press comments about Ritz, as if whatever Ritz did at NOP was now happening at Hanson Brooks, preventing her from being critical of NOP, like Shalane was about Jordan. Ritz left a situation he was uncomfortable with, and could hardly control, short of leaving, which he did, or quitting the sport, and it seems like at least that personal decision deserves some respect. You bring up the leaked USADA report, and suggest it contains some kind of admission of Ritz breaking the rules. I read it. Did you? In this report, I find evidence of L-Carnitine (not banned in any amount) infusions (not injections), but nowhere did I find any admission that Ritz admitted breaking any rules, or any finding that USADA possessed evidence of Ritz breaking any rule, including any improper infusion method. USADA argued with "suggestions" and "strong beliefs" about what "likely" happened, but the only infusion we know broke the rules is the one for Magness. (USADA also lost that argument in front of the Texas Medical Board, btw. They would lose at CAS too, without a stronger basis.) Also in the report, we find an instruction on the topic from Salazar to Magness to investigate how it can be done "and of course if it's WADA legal". The responsibility of find a legal method was delegated to Magness. Not to throw Magness under the bus, because like Ritz, he was also put in a delicate situation he could hardly control, but lacking evidence that Magness found and recommended a WADA legal method, for a WADA legal substance, as instructed, and that Salazar knowingly over-ruled that, it's hard to point the finger at Salazar for causing his athletes to break the rules, assuming that any even did, with the sole exception of Magness' infusion. The report fails to answer some basic questions: - (Excluding Magness) did any NOP athlete receive infusions at a rate greater than 50ml/6 hours? - If so, did Salazar knowingly instruct that his athletes receive infusions at a rate that would exceed the allowed limit by WADA? Since the USADA cannot answer these questions, there is really no basis for them to act, and explains why their brief response to the leaked report was that they continue to investigate *IF* any NOP-athlete has ever committed an ADRV. Two other things to note: - Excessive infusions, in and of themselves, are not banned because of performance enhancement, but they are banned because large quantities of fluid can mask detection of other banned substances. It's one thing to say, "rules are rules", and they are, but quite another to argue that infusions (of a legal substance) with too much liquid, caused any unjust performance enhancement, because it contained too much fluid. - Since 2018, WADA has relaxed this infusion requirement to 100ml/12 hours "in order to allow greater flexibility for the safe administration of non-prohibited therapeutic substances". Infusions between 50ml-100ml banned in 2012 would be legal today.
GoDes wrote:
The hypocrisy on this board is amazing. Read the leaked USADA report for the Texas Meducal board. Dathan admitted he broke the rules. Yes, he was pressured by sleazy, but he did it. They all did. Yes, L-Carnatine is legal. But it sure as hell isnt when you inject bags of it into your veins. Did any of you assholes read the report? Sleazy emailed freaking Lance Armstrong to tell him how good this stuff was. Keep putting your heads in the sand and blasting people like Des, Kara, Steve, and Shalane for speaking the truth. You are losers who don’t give a true crap about our sport. Why would anyone come forward when they have to put up with this crap from a bunch of losers on here? What the hell have you guys done? Have you lost majors to cheaters? Had coach’s try to get you to dope? Get some freaking respect or get the hell out of our sport.
rekrunner wrote:
First of all, congratulations to Desi, for her tough win on a day under terrible conditions when most of the best dropped out.
Still I'm scratching my head over her lukewarm pre-race press comments about Ritz, as if whatever Ritz did at NOP was now happening at Hanson Brooks, preventing her from being critical of NOP, like Shalane was about Jordan. Ritz left a situation he was uncomfortable with, and could hardly control, short of leaving, which he did, or quitting the sport, and it seems like at least that personal decision deserves some respect.
You bring up the leaked USADA report, and suggest it contains some kind of admission of Ritz breaking the rules. I read it. Did you? In this report, I find evidence of L-Carnitine (not banned in any amount) infusions (not injections), but nowhere did I find any admission that Ritz admitted breaking any rules, or any finding that USADA possessed evidence of Ritz breaking any rule, including any improper infusion method. USADA argued with "suggestions" and "strong beliefs" about what "likely" happened, but the only infusion we know broke the rules is the one for Magness. (USADA also lost that argument in front of the Texas Medical Board, btw. They would lose at CAS too, without a stronger basis.)
Also in the report, we find an instruction on the topic from Salazar to Magness to investigate how it can be done "and of course if it's WADA legal". The responsibility of find a legal method was delegated to Magness. Not to throw Magness under the bus, because like Ritz, he was also put in a delicate situation he could hardly control, but lacking evidence that Magness found and recommended a WADA legal method, for a WADA legal substance, as instructed, and that Salazar knowingly over-ruled that, it's hard to point the finger at Salazar for causing his athletes to break the rules, assuming that any even did, with the sole exception of Magness' infusion.
The report fails to answer some basic questions:
- (Excluding Magness) did any NOP athlete receive infusions at a rate greater than 50ml/6 hours?
- If so, did Salazar knowingly instruct that his athletes receive infusions at a rate that would exceed the allowed limit by WADA?
Since the USADA cannot answer these questions, there is really no basis for them to act, and explains why their brief response to the leaked report was that they continue to investigate *IF* any NOP-athlete has ever committed an ADRV.
Two other things to note:
- Excessive infusions, in and of themselves, are not banned because of performance enhancement, but they are banned because large quantities of fluid can mask detection of other banned substances. It's one thing to say, "rules are rules", and they are, but quite another to argue that infusions (of a legal substance) with too much liquid, caused any unjust performance enhancement, because it contained too much fluid.
- Since 2018, WADA has relaxed this infusion requirement to 100ml/12 hours "in order to allow greater flexibility for the safe administration of non-prohibited therapeutic substances". Infusions between 50ml-100ml banned in 2012 would be legal today.
GoDes wrote:
The hypocrisy on this board is amazing. Read the leaked USADA report for the Texas Meducal board. Dathan admitted he broke the rules. Yes, he was pressured by sleazy, but he did it. They all did. Yes, L-Carnatine is legal. But it sure as hell isnt when you inject bags of it into your veins. Did any of you assholes read the report? Sleazy emailed freaking Lance Armstrong to tell him how good this stuff was. Keep putting your heads in the sand and blasting people like Des, Kara, Steve, and Shalane for speaking the truth. You are losers who don’t give a true crap about our sport. Why would anyone come forward when they have to put up with this crap from a bunch of losers on here? What the hell have you guys done? Have you lost majors to cheaters? Had coach’s try to get you to dope? Get some freaking respect or get the hell out of our sport.
OMG
Thank you. Somebody has actually read the report and not simply acting on hate and emotion. I bet if Desiree Linden actually sat down and read the report she would have a better understanding as well.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Desi Linden has crushed this thread.....
Indeed. I think they should put up a black page: This Thread Goes Home Devastated!
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