Why is Jager a 'BRAVE AMERICAN' or a 'BOLD AMERICAN'?

macdaddy wrote:

Isn't that exaggerating a bit?

The dude ran a race and then fell.... I don't get it. He didn't make me proud, he fell and lost?

Your quote made me super excited to watch the race on YouTube and then THAT?! If anything, I'm let down.

How about... Jager runs the race of a lifetime? Jager gives it his all?

Agreed on your thoughts, maybe "valiant effort" or "bumbling, stumbling to a record" , race of a lifetime? no not yet, in the next two years as the world champs roll around, Oly games and breaking 8 maybe we can say race of a lifetime... at this point its a track and field geeks youtube sensation video!

macdaddy wrote:

Isn't that exaggerating a bit?

The dude ran a race and then fell.... I don't get it. He didn't make me proud, he fell and lost?

Your quote made me super excited to watch the race on YouTube and then THAT?! If anything, I'm let down.

How about... Jager runs the race of a lifetime? Jager gives it his all?

Because he isn't Rupp. Anyone who isn't Rupp is "Brave" and "Bold" to the brosjo.

Yeah, it's not like he changed sex and became Caitlyn Jenner.

Heartbreaking.

Where is the "HEART LIKE LION" guy?

When is the last time Rupp took the lead on near world record pace against the best in the world?

On paper Jager was in way over his head, but he established his position early and did not hesitate to move with 900 meters to go. Then in the moment of triumph he was flattened in front of 1000's of people, but still popped back up immediately and finished with surprising speed and broke his own American Record. How is that not taking a big chance or being brave/bold? How can you not be inspired by that?

Moreover, look at the way he feels genuine respect and excitement for those around him. Giving all the credit for his 3:32 to Garret Heath, never dismissing Don Cabral or Daniel Huling despite his recent dominance, or the way he celebrated Molly Beckwith-Ludlow's 800 PR minutes after his fall.

A really good person just ran 8:00 in the steeple in 87 degree heat destroying 99.99% of the competition in the world while front running the last 900 meters. If that doesn't get you excited, you're probably a pretty miserable person 364 days a year.

jewbacca wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

Isn't that exaggerating a bit?

The dude ran a race and then fell.... I don't get it. He didn't make me proud, he fell and lost?

Your quote made me super excited to watch the race on YouTube and then THAT?! If anything, I'm let down.

How about... Jager runs the race of a lifetime? Jager gives it his all?

Because he isn't Rupp. Anyone who isn't Rupp is "Brave" and "Bold" to the brosjo.

Nice try.

When we were working on the recap, a staffer wrote that we'd never seen an American take the lead in a distance race in the DL. I specifically said, "What about Rupp last year at Pre?"

The response was along the lines of 'We're talking about leading in the middle of the race, Rupp wasn't facing every top guy in the world at Pre (no Mo Farah), Rupp had a rabbit for virtually the entire race, Rupp didn't take the lead until the race was more than 90% over and Rupp wasn't about to make history by becoming the first non-African under a historic time barrier.

If Jager had held on, he would without a doubt be viewed as the #1 distance runner in his event as of today. That HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE IN ANY DISTANCE EVENT FOR ANY MALE AMERICAN BORN ATHLETE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

So it was quite bold and worthy of the hype.

NFW wrote:

When is the last time Rupp took the lead on near world record pace against the best in the world?

A really good person just ran 8:00 in the steeple in 87 degree heat destroying 99.99% of the competition in the world while front running the last 900 meters. If that doesn't get you excited, you're probably a pretty miserable person 364 days a year.

When Rupp broke the AR in the 10k by himself about a year ago???

And I'm not saying it wasn't a beautiful run, but it doesn't make the 'Proud to be an American' list of great feats.

Shocked the word HERO (the most overused word in the USA to describe somebodies actions) was not used

Tim Hutchings expressed why it was so special way better than I could have during his race commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsLh2OYXCc

In the midst of the race, he's telling American fans to enjoy it. When he falls, he yells, "Jager get up."

Hutchings a Brit and even the fans in Paris realized in the middle of this one just how special it was.

Please go listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsLh2OYXCc

Weldon didn't watch the race live. I told him what happened. HE was impressed. He then watched the Hutching clip and called back like a little kid on XMAS. He had to see it and feel it by watching that clip to fully appreciate it.

We are going to change out the QOD to Hutchings later today it was so good.

Here is Hutchings mid-race:

Hutchings said:

"(Jairus) Birech looks beaten. This is rare. Enjoy this if you're an American. Enjoy this if you like to see someone get amongst the East Africans, the Kenyans in particular, who have absolutely dominated the steeplechase year after year, decade after decade in fact ...

Evan Jager is surely running for a sub-8 minute clocking here.

(inaudible yelling) He's gone down!

Jager! Get up! Concentrate! Move! Keep Going!"[quote]

100% agreed plus those of us that have been to the well know how tapped Jager was with 100 meters left. He saved nothing. Throw a little emotional energy for the fact that he was racing on July 4th, six days after his USATF final, and it's easy to be proud of this American's run. He also bounced right up which is actually rare when it comes to elites falling. Seriously, the list of falls followed by pity parties is far longer than the bounce back and still set American records.

rojo wrote:

Tim Hutchings expressed why it was so special way better than I could have during his race commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsLh2OYXCc

In the midst of the race, he's telling American fans to enjoy it. When he falls, he yells, "Jager get up."

Hutchings a Brit and even the fans in Paris realized in the middle of this one just how special it was.

Please go listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsLh2OYXCc

Weldon didn't watch the race live. I told him what happened. HE was impressed. He then watched the Hutching clip and called back like a little kid on XMAS. He had to see it and feel it by watching that clip to fully appreciate it.

The world has become soft. Andrés Escobar scored an own goal in the group stage at 1994 World Cup and was murdered when he returned home to Colombia. Laura Basset scores an own goal in the semi final and she's a national hero. Bill Buckner lets a ball go through his legs in the World Series and you can't speak his name in Boston for 20 years. Russell Wilson throws an interception on the goal line to loose the Super Bowl and will soon be the highest paid player ever and sells the most jerseys. So, it's only natural that we now praise someone who goes out to hard in a race and stumbles his way across the finish line when if he had run smarter he would have won and brought pride to our country on Independence Day.

Macdaddy wrote:

When Rupp broke the AR in the 10k by himself about a year ago???

And I'm not saying it wasn't a beautiful run, but it doesn't make the 'Proud to be an American' list of great feats.

I hope you're kidding. By himself? He was paced for 9600 meters by 3+ people that were PAID in a race that set up for him! Did he beat any Olympic or World Champions in the process? Citing his race from PRE this year would have been a better example of him actually taking chance.

Beating the Kenyan Armada > winning a set up time trial in Eugene.

Well, to be fair to Wilson, the Super Bowl has been too tight for years.

Sesamoiditis wrote:

The world has become soft. Andrés Escobar scored an own goal in the group stage at 1994 World Cup and was murdered when he returned home to Colombia. Laura Basset scores an own goal in the semi final and she's a national hero. Bill Buckner lets a ball go through his legs in the World Series and you can't speak his name in Boston for 20 years. Russell Wilson throws an interception on the goal line to loose the Super Bowl and will soon be the highest paid player ever and sells the most jerseys. So, it's only natural that we now praise someone who goes out to hard in a race and stumbles his way across the finish line when if he had run smarter he would have won and brought pride to our country on Independence Day.

rojo wrote:

If Jager had held on, he would without a doubt be viewed as the #1 distance runner in his event as of today. That HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE IN ANY DISTANCE EVENT FOR ANY MALE AMERICAN BORN ATHLETE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

This simply isn't true. Yes, he was facing the world's best and yes he had the race of his life [to this point], but simply beating them in one non-championship race for the first time ever (maybe if he'd won Pre, this, then Worlds we would consider him the best, or even just Paris and Worlds) isn't good enough to make him #1 in the event.

If he wins Worlds this year I'll say he's the year's best, but he hasn't won yet. This was a paced race and we have no idea if half of the Kenyans are in an incredibly hard training block or not and are peaking for Worlds while Jager may be peaking now.

Winning the Paris DL wouldn't make him the Worlds best in the distance.

Sesamoiditis wrote:

The world has become soft. Andrés Escobar scored an own goal in the group stage at 1994 World Cup and was murdered when he returned home to Colombia.

There is absolutely no way to deal with the stupidity of this thread, or this quote in particular.

BTW, I hate you, but well spoken, Ronald. You nailed it on the head with each of your posts.

It's unlikely Evan has a lion's heart

- Average life expectancy of a lion's heart is 12-14 years (max 25).

- They have small hearts relative to body-weight and rarely run more than 200m

- They are very sensitive to heat, so running an AR in 89F would be almost impossible.

Their ideal events would be high jump (12 feet), long-jump (37 feet) or Christian baiting (as many feet as they can eat).

macdaddy wrote:

Isn't that exaggerating a bit?

The dude ran a race and then fell.... I don't get it. He didn't make me proud, he fell and lost?

Your quote made me super excited to watch the race on YouTube and then THAT?! If anything, I'm let down.

How about... Jager runs the race of a lifetime? Jager gives it his all?

Because our distance running culture and journalism is full of groupthink and fanboyism and false worship. Yes, Jager is a tremendous athlete. Muscular as f-, handsome as f-. But it doesn't mean all that much because our civilization is in deep trouble for years and years and only the most vipersome and blind of children isn't perturbed by the important matters.

Yes, Jager has been destined for greatness since he left high school. If you hadn't been paying attention back in 08, 09, 10, then you are a band-wagoning noob.

Our culture is screwed up. Are we so empty that we just celebrate times, accolades and beating some other race and nationality? This culture has produced zero running art. Not one person has spoken up ever against advertising disintegrity and immorality, or the same for mass media, the corruption of our law and institutions, professions, societal funnels and places of authority. This generation, full of those who call themselves Christians but they are nowhere near being Christians. That stake claims of Americanism but are betrayers of American values. Groupthink, greed, arrogance prevail. If you don't protect the fountains of integrity and beauty against all the forms of iniquity, then you don't deserve all the prizes of love, glory, beauty, triumph, health, fitness, liberty, freedom. You think you are gaining beauty out in trails and working hard running, but collectively the best that can be said is that our community is full of cowardly followers, lazy of mind moral soul and art, freeloaders. This is true for the legions of bourgeosie on this site, they are entangled with the rest of problematic Western culture. Verily, a generation like this, running faster than ever, profanes the name of running. There will be no victory in a time like this.

He's the new great white hope. Period. that's what all the fuss is about.