Goodbye female sports

Or whites could have their own division separate from the high testosterone blacks. White athletes could become the new "females".

The White League wrote:

Or whites could have their own division separate from the high testosterone blacks. White athletes could become the new "females".

Or perhaps D-I universities could grow a pair and stop allowing their athletic departments to recruit thugs, rapists, thieves, and "student-athletes" with 3rd grade reading skills.

Summer Sailor wrote:

Just a thought: If our culture continues to move towards basing gender identity simply on subjective experience, and not on biological criteria including the presence/absence of a certain chromosome, female sports will, in a highly ironic way, be destroyed by men.

Yeah.

Except that it won't.

Minor detail, I know.

Hi LPD.....

Somewhat Different Perspective wrote:

Summer Sailor wrote:

Just a thought: If our culture continues to move towards basing gender identity simply on subjective experience, and not on biological criteria including the presence/absence of a certain chromosome, female sports will, in a highly ironic way, be destroyed by men.

Yeah.

Except that it won't.

Minor detail, I know.

Well that's pretty much destroyed the point of this thread.

Stop living in the real world and a least attempt to indulge his asinine fantasy.

Somewhat Different Perspective wrote:

Summer Sailor wrote:

Just a thought: If our culture continues to move towards basing gender identity simply on subjective experience, and not on biological criteria including the presence/absence of a certain chromosome, female sports will, in a highly ironic way, be destroyed by men.

Yeah.

Except that it won't.

Minor detail, I know.

That's what I thought...until I saw this piece of news:

The bottom line is, most politicians have zero knowledge over the things they write laws for. Something like this is one of them. It takes someone who has more or less NEVER played a sport to propose that transgender males, who simply IDENTIFY as females while still having male reproductive organs, could legitimately compete as females.

Assuming that you were a high school cross country or track athlete, you should most definitely know that the best female HS runners in the country can be crushed by freshman boys.

Since some districts in California actually passed a law for this, it's actually quite feasible that this could be a serious issue in the near future. All it really takes is one moderately athletic transgender female who will proceed to rewrite the recordbooks (think Caster Semenya, except more extreme).

On another note, even the CROSSFIT bureaucracy has the sense to oppose this.

OP exactly right. Defining gender being done by methods further and further from the criteria we all used to use.

Very interesting topic given recent events.

However....

Is this necessarily bad? Having only one division in which to compete will turn sport, for the first time since the earliest competitions, into a pure meritocracy. Being forced to compete with an ever-quickening field has always prompted superior performances.

1900. To suceed now, you had to compete with people who actually trained. The 'amateur gentlemen' division ceased to exist. Was it 'fair' that this bloke, even if your genetic peer, was running 20 miles a week?

2000. To suceed now at 3k or longer, one had to beat East Africans. Some say their genetics are superior to all other varieties of mankind, at least for distance running. Unfair? Do you deserve your own division? That would fair, wouldn't it?

BTW, ditto West African genetics at 1/4 mile and down.

2100. To suceed now, you must compete with and compare favorably with males. Unfair? Want your own division?

Facing increasing and seeingly overwhelming competition is the only way any given group or individual has ever acheived performances thought impossible immediately prior. Top American males today run faster than the great Henry Rono, thought to be untouchable at his prime. If absolutely nobody could run 13 flat when I was a teenager, how is it that Ritz and Rupp can and not be huge international superstars? They may have only run 14 decades ago. Somehow, having Haile and Kenny, the actual huge international superstars, 30 seconds ahead of you makes the old WR record seem somewhat mundane.

The great Jonny Walker once said that if the record was 3:47 he'd have run 3:46. Since the record was 3:51 he ran 3:49. I cannot explain why this is the case, but being 10 minutes behind someone can allow you to run 5 minutes faster than what was once supposedly your absolute fastest possible. You wonder why there is now uproar over women running with men? Everbody except the record holders themselves says that it makes you miraculously faster than being at the head of an all female race. I'm not sure what is true, but the IAAF is convinced of this as are the organizors of Boston, Ny, and the holder of every all-women's record.

Having to get first overall to win a race may somehow cause women's performanes to equal men's. We have seen this happen with different groups of men. It took men as a whole a while to get from 2:15 to 2:04 but against all adds it did happen. Can the same thing happen with women? What if it did, or they couldn't taste fame and financial success? Would it then?