Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there. wonder though if any money was donated to worldrecordrun though

No, it doesn't mean that no money was donated there via Kip...

it means that Kip could not have had access to any funds that were donated

Don't know if people are just stupid or intentionally stirring things up, but the last few pages have been speculation with zero supporting evidence. The thread used to be about unusual findings in publicly available documents (all race-related) and the occasional first hand account of a race. Brojos should step in and pull the plug IMO.

solved before dinnertime wrote:

Don't know if people are just stupid or intentionally stirring things up, but the last few pages have been speculation with zero supporting evidence. The thread used to be about unusual findings in publicly available documents (all race-related) and the occasional first hand account of a race. Brojos should step in and pull the plug IMO.

I disagree with you.

And I dislike your ad hominem attack "people are just stupid".

this just in wrote:

[quote]Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there. wonder though if any money was donated to worldrecordrun though[quote]

No, it doesn't mean that no money was donated there via Kip...

it means that Kip could not have had access to any funds that were donated

That applies to the CFF site, not the WorldRecordRun website which was soliciting donations to be made out to WorldRecordRun. There were two different sites collecting donations in Kip's name.

this just in wrote:

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there. wonder though if any money was donated to worldrecordrun though

No, it doesn't mean that no money was donated there via Kip...

it means that Kip could not have had access to any funds that were donated

Is anyone from the early Kip Litton days (letsrun thread #1 - circa August-Sept 2010) willing to comment on what the World Record Run website looked like and what any fundraising vehicle looked like?

To: Study of Kip Litton Running,

Would it be possible for you to "backup" the thread to the blog again? Thanks for all your efforts!

backup time? wrote:

To: Study of Kip Litton Running,

Would it be possible for you to "backup" the thread to the blog again? Thanks for all your efforts!

Seriously, what are we doing? There ain't no saints on these boards. You've got potential proof of cheating at road races. That's it. "Who Cares" might end up being right after all! The bean counters have lost count!

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but when Larry Rawson talks about "Kip Lagat" this year, it will have a very different meaning. Kip Litton has killed the name Kip for another KL.

Yes, that's one of the functions and in larger newspapers they may only deal with editorial opinion. In smaller papers it may simply be the editor themselves. In all papers that I've ever had any involvement with, and I've had family members that have owned or worked at newspapers pretty much continuously since the early 60's, some person or group besides the reporter determines what's printed and what reporters spend their paid time working on. The person or group most often has the name editor or editorial associated with it.

Yes, at what point did I say it wasn't? How many newspapers have a News Editor? Plenty. Does that mean what they do is related to opinion?

That is true. But except for small newspapers that are starved for content topics are chosen based on the broadest perceived audience. Cheating on road races just isn't terribly interesting to the general public despite how interesting it is to me or you. The cheating combined with a charity has some bite, but let's face it the average Bubba at the lunch counter doesn't know how long a marathon is much less a good time for one. That's a lot of explaining for a newspaper to do.

Yes there are, but address to who? For what purpose? The people really concerned about this are other runners. Publishing this in Flint means some runners see it and there's likely going to be a negative effect on his career, but there's just as big a chance of backlash. Some folks may look at the whole "trying to raise money for CF because of his kid" situation and look very negatively at the newspaper. That's why it's important from a news standpoint to be able to have some evidence of fraud against the charity instead of just against other runners.

I feel an article in Michigan Runner or maybe even a wider publication of direct interest to runners is a better idea because it would get the issue (cheating at races) directly in front of the most affected audience.

I would really like to see the New York Times do an in-depth piece on Kipgate, maybe even in its Sunday magazine. This story transcends just Flint, Michigan and really transcends running. It's about human nature, some people's gnawing need for attention in this reality TV-type of culture, plus a commentary on the cultural phenomena that marathoning has become for (yes, I'm gonna say it) "hobbyjoggers" like Kip.

OK, if not the New York Times, then Running Times or, what the heck, Dentistry Monthly.

Oh, and James Frey could write it. Or maybe Jayson Blair.

I don't like the idea of calling this KIP because many great Kenyans are named Kip (Keino, Kiplagat, etc.). This is David Kipling Litton's asinine way of identifying with great runners. Kiplagat, Kiplitton.

He not only cheats in races he even jacks a Kenyan namesake! We need to come up with another term besides Kip'ing the race. It's unintentionally a slight to Kenyans.

reading runner wrote:

I would really like to see the New York Times do an in-depth piece on Kipgate...

Not the NYT. I hope a newspaper with some journalistic ethics takes on the story. My guess is the journalists at the NYT would feel a kinship with Kip. They've fabricated some unbelievable stories over the years and have been completely unrepentant when exposed. Did you hear the one about 100 year old John McCain boning the blonde lobbyist? "NYT - All the news that fits."

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Is anyone from the early Kip Litton days (letsrun thread #1 - circa August-Sept 2010) willing to comment on what the World Record Run website looked like and what any fundraising vehicle looked like?

You have done a lot of good work as have many others. Personally I thank you and everyone else who have kept after this. I was ready to bail after having time thrown down the toilet by the Brojos the first 2 times we dove into this.

But, as Dukerdog has pointed out, don't go there. Stick to the cheating. There is more work to be done yet and you can never have enough good data to prove this kind of thing.

I'm still working on a few races as I have time. Figure out most of the races and he has no where to hide, no where to run, as it were. The rest, if there is anything else, will likely come out over time. But we have no clear evidence to go in that direction and we need this thread to survive.

Lipsync Kitten wrote:

I don't like the idea of calling this KIP because many great Kenyans are named Kip (Keino, Kiplagat, etc.). This is David Kipling Litton's asinine way of identifying with great runners. Kiplagat, Kiplitton.

He not only cheats in races he even jacks a Kenyan namesake! We need to come up with another term besides Kip'ing the race. It's unintentionally a slight to Kenyans.

How many races were you Kipped at?

This is amazing! And Mind boggling.

Has anyone thought it possible that he also cheated in years back when he was running like 3: 30s and 3:40s like 3-5 years ago, and now just got greedy tryin to cheat to even better times. If someone already brought this up my bad

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there. wonder though if any money was donated to worldrecordrun though

No, it doesn't mean that no money was donated there via Kip...

it means that Kip could not have had access to any funds that were donated

Is anyone from the early Kip Litton days (letsrun thread #1 - circa August-Sept 2010) willing to comment on what the World Record Run website looked like and what any fundraising vehicle looked like?[/quote]

I made a copy of the first page of WRR.com but didn't make a copy of the 'Donate' page. Oversight, in hindsight. My memory doesn't help either. Am sure I looked at how to make a charitable donation but am blank on the details.

Someone should pose as a donor, kick in $50, and see how this money trail unfolds.