One thing I'm curious about is how does he know where they are going to have mats? At the Brooksie Way it looks like the only mat was at a spot well past the 10k, as the leaders crossed in 34+. He must drive around the course ahead of time to see where they're setting up.
dukerdog wrote:
One thing I'm curious about is how does he know where they are going to have mats? At the Brooksie Way it looks like the only mat was at a spot well past the 10k, as the leaders crossed in 34+. He must drive around the course ahead of time to see where they're setting up.
Indeed and based on a few missing splits at some races, he doesn't always get it right.
I.E. St louis
I found a more accurate map for the 5k discussed earlier:
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1159059572_5CNws-A-LB
off course Oscar wrote:
And again, the guy jogging at the 30k point of Boston looks less similar than Kip finishing the 5k the day before. Probably the same guy, but it's very, very strange.
Carry on gentlemen.
That Boston 5k finish picture (where he's right behind the two ladies) has been bugging me all week. He looks younger in that picture than he does in a lot of the others, including those taken the next day. Frankly, I don't think that's Kip, but clearly it's his race bib.
I'm solidly in the camp that says he has an accomplice at least at some of these races. Possibly the younger brother, but who knows.
off Course Oscar, Clarkston Kent, Scotth and other SE MI runners:
The "Richard Rodriguez" revelation of today puts a whole new angle on all of this for me. I can see him doing a "trial run" of cheating under a fake name. But Kip doing it at a local race like Brooksie Way is really strange. After all, his m.o. in cheating is to blend in, use disguises, avoid photographers and generally minimize the chances of getting caught. Why the heck would he choose a relatively small, local race to produce an usually strong result while using a fake name? I'm not part of the Greater Flint running community, but it can't be that large - especially among masters runners. I know all the masters runners in my local area who are capable of sub 40 10k, sub 20 5k, sub 3 marathon, etc. and they all know - or at least know of - me. Even if a guy didn't stick around for the awards, people would see him on course and know who he was...and know he was using an assumed name. Strange. Possibly Kip wasn't that well known? Did he get "busted" by someone at Brooksie and hence his subsequent attempts to be more low-key and discreet?
Kip, you want to explain yourself? ;)
Crim registration for '11 should open any day now. Can't wait!
Along with PowerPoint break-up thread, Post nuptial shut-off thread, the early Jason Rexing threads, the Elite Training Group thread, the Branden Moen thread, and the Navy Seal vs. UFC guy thread - the Kipster thread has undoubtedly earned a deserved place in the LR Pantheon.
One of the most bizarre running stories I'll likely ever hear. It's like Marshall Burt bizarre, except in actual races with actual running going on (kind of). I still love you Marshall, but you've got some legit comp. coming from Litton these days. Gonna need to step up your game son.
I had previously commented on the unrealistic performance of KL in the 2010 Gasparilla Distance Classic. 2nd thread, summarized here:
"The 15K starts at 7:05 am, and the 5K at 9:30 am. Litton would have finished at 8 am. Now consider that his 15K time would have been a 4 1/2 min. PR past age 40. Are you then going to come back after this and run a 5K with only 1 1/2 hrs rest, and run within 17 sec of your PR? And -- at age 48 -- do all this before running a marathon the next day within 2 1/2 min. of your PR? I don't think so!"
It was after this that someone added the asterisks around KL's name on the wikipedia page for this race.
GK discussed the 2009 race at the top of 2009, and SoKLR nicely summarizes all 3 races here:
http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/gasparilla-distance-classic-2009.html
Looking at KL's athlinks.com page, his 2008 performances look no more realistic taken as a whole. Looked at individually, and something interesting is revealed. Races in 2008 were sequenced the same way: 15K and 5K on Sat. 2/9, Marathon on Sun. 2/10 (active.com has the date wrong below).
15K: 1:30 start delay. 104th of 3948 in 59:57 (6:26/mile)
http://results.active.com/pages/oneResult.jsp?pID=40449980&rsID=59335&pubID=3
5K: 0:13 start delay. 330th of 7650 in 22:52 (7:20/mile)
http://results.active.com/pages/oneResult.jsp?pID=40442556&rsID=59334&pubID=3
Mar: 2:33 start delay. 22th of 989 in 3:02:38 (6:58/mile)
http://results.active.com/pages/oneResult.jsp?pID=34442380&rsID=59366
Something's very different about the 5K race. He started just 13 sec behind - not in the back of 7000+ people. This actually helps confirm his m.o. When he doesn't start in the back, he runs an unexceptional performance. It would appear this was the only race that weekend he actually fully ran.
By the way - this 2008 marathon performance clearly needs to be added to SoKLR's list. No "Split 1" and "Split 2" times, whereas checking a few racers in front and behind show complete splits.
I ran the Brooksie Way in '08 when I was coming back from an injury and started about 50 seconds back and not one person passed me during the race. I was moving up through the pack throughout the entire race. According to the results, RR should have passed me somewhere in the middle of the race and then continued to have pulled away. I definitely would have noticed if some stocky dude in his late 40s had come flying by me! Also, as usual, Brightroom captured lots of pictures of everyone throughout the course and yet only finishing photos of him.
swedishbasteve wrote:
Study of K.Litton Running wrote:This is the website of the FB group on it
http://www.facebook.com/pages/World-Record-Run/127132550632826Why, in one of the worldrecordrun facebook photos, detroit freepress 2003, does it say "long story short-the stadium audience mistakenly thought I won the marathon!" He is not in any of the results that year, yet had mistakenly won the marathon! I want the looong story!
I recall seeing that photo somewhere with an explanation that he was running the half marathon. (Can someone copy the photo somewhere for those of us not using FB?) If it indeed said 2003 (it was photoshopped in), then Kip himself erred, referring to his 2005 performance, where he ran 1:31:23 with only a 15 sec start delay, which looks legit. But if it were that year, it doesn't make sense, as there were racers within 10 seconds of him, and furthermore, if both the half and marathon started at the same time, then race officials would have been very unknowledgeable about what a winning marathon time could be. Perhaps Kip saw the separate finish line, and just couldn't resist seeing what it would be like to break a tape?
I agree SB - something is curious here and I would also be interested in learning the story behind that photo at some point.
Oops, I actually only started about 20 seconds back in the Brooksie Way.
In response to Dan:
Brooksie is not a small race. There were nearly 2400 finishers in 2008.
With Kip's hat and dark glasses he can easily pass for someone in their 30's. A thirty-something, who you don't know, crossing the finish line in 1:22 isn't remarkable at all. It's only after the results come out that things get remarkable, and of course by that time Kip is long gone, and all you're left with is Rich Rodriguez.
dukerdog wrote:
In response to Dan:
Brooksie is not a small race. There were nearly 2400 finishers in 2008.
With Kip's hat and dark glasses he can easily pass for someone in their 30's. A thirty-something, who you don't know, crossing the finish line in 1:22 isn't remarkable at all. It's only after the results come out that things get remarkable, and of course by that time Kip is long gone, and all you're left with is Rich Rodriguez.
Great points. I forgot he faked his age as well.
Pics shown the usual MO, significantly more clothes on than this competitors. Not looking very sweaty.
Kevin52 wrote:
Kevin52 wrote:Kip has a distinct pink cap on and is wearing the race shirt from his 1st marathon listed as run in 2003. Note that he has to shirts on to stay warm.
correction:
Note that he has two shirts on to stay warm.
Race detective wrote:
swedishbasteve wrote:Why, in one of the worldrecordrun facebook photos, detroit freepress 2003, does it say "long story short-the stadium audience mistakenly thought I won the marathon!" He is not in any of the results that year, yet had mistakenly won the marathon! I want the looong story!
I recall seeing that photo somewhere with an explanation that he was running the half marathon. (Can someone copy the photo somewhere for those of us not using FB?) If it indeed said 2003 (it was photoshopped in), then Kip himself erred, referring to his 2005 performance, where he ran 1:31:23 with only a 15 sec start delay, which looks legit. But if it were that year, it doesn't make sense, as there were racers within 10 seconds of him, and furthermore, if both the half and marathon started at the same time, then race officials would have been very unknowledgeable about what a winning marathon time could be. Perhaps Kip saw the separate finish line, and just couldn't resist seeing what it would be like to break a tape?
I agree SB - something is curious here and I would also be interested in learning the story behind that photo at some point.
anyone else think the finish line banner looks photo shopped?
yes, and it clearly show 2005 on the photo
swedishbasteve wrote:
yes, and it clearly show 2005 on the photo
Yes, and it clearly shows 2005 on the bottom of the photo. He's a real "winner"
Made my day. We've got to get some contests going...The limerick contestThe best name for kip contestFunniest graphic (you're winning for today)Find of the day - currently a tie for the day between the find of the Deadwood start sequence and the Rich Rodriguez race find.
Kevin52 wrote:
I found a more accurate map for the 5k discussed earlier:
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1159059572_5CNws-A-LB
video of the 2010 MVP Healthcare Rochester Marathon start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyh5BTN5Ypk
According to SoKLR, KL's gun/chip differential was 0:34. The gun goes off at 0:11 in the video, so KL should cross at 0:47. Look for the guy in the green longsleeved shirt.
A very good example to show you how hard it would be to run legit early splits. You can see him starting to cut across the road. Good find.
solved before dinnertime wrote:
video of the 2010 MVP Healthcare Rochester Marathon start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyh5BTN5YpkAccording to SoKLR, KL's gun/chip differential was 0:34. The gun goes off at 0:11 in the video, so KL should cross at 0:47. Look for the guy in the green longsleeved shirt.