Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

Telling did not win the masters. Kyle Strode did. http://www.theracershub.com/results_view.php?id=975&result_type=file&PHPSESSID=0eb58b5f8680b547660dcdc5c11b2338

I think florida oldtimer nailed the reason for Kip's propensity to walk across the finish-- he's afraid his form will unmask him.

Sniff Out the Details wrote:

Has anyone noticed that the guy from the Boston photo that we have all dismissed as NOT being Kip:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ik6d67YLaHY/TS-PDkNrjvI/AAAAAAAAAHI/09F3u9YRswM/s1600/kip66666.jpg

is wearing the exact same half tights as Kip was wearing in the Maine Half Marathon -- that is quite a coincidence, no?!!!

http://orders.racephotonetwork.com/QPPlus/SearchBibNumber.aspx?_AccountNumber=6868&EventID=938713

Select Bib #380

Maybe these tights are more common than I think - I've personally never seen them before:

Skins Half Tights

http://www.runningwarehouse.com/descpageMRA-SMHTI.html

Nope dude, this guy (Oscar) already brought it up. Not being a d##k, but it was brought up. With all of the posts, you guys are missing more than you think. I agree, it's Kip or his twin.

Now the guy in the one photo that looks like him with the blue jacket pulled down over the number (see Study of K. Litton on page 30), on the same side of the road, he looks an awful lot like Kip or possibly related. Weren't those red shoes on the Kipster in a photo of another race? Just asking. He's definitely got the same MO as Kip. Let's run Boston and not show our number

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Remember all those detective shows you've watched over the years? The detective always thinks like as if they were the criminal.

Aside from the why (probably need a medical degree for that one) how would he be trying to pull all this off.

Think like him in other words.

I think he has help in some way.

I'm working on the "raincoat Kip" from Boston but could use some help going through the all the photo's.

Thanks

City of Trees Marathon, Boise Idaho, 10/04/09

Summary: 2:55:45, 5th place overall, 1st or 2nd master (depends on whether 4th place Todd Arndt is age 38 or 40); website mentions awards for top 3 masters, but no specifics.

Athlinks Results:

http://www.athlinks.com/time.aspx?eventid=105232&courseid=139149

Official Results:

http://www.bluecirclesports.com/Results_ShowEventResults.aspx?eid=546

(click on “total time” to sort finishes by place)

Official Race Pics:

http://www.backprint.com/view_event.asp?PID=bp%18%7ED&EVENTID=58741&PWD=target_blank

Race Course:

http://www.usatf.org/routes/view.asp?rID=397993

Suspicion #1: Multi-loop course; apprears to offer several places to cut, no split times in results.

Suspicion #2: Places 1st thru 10th all have multiple race photos (usually about 8 photos) at multiple places (bridge, lighthouse, and finish). Kip has exactly 1 photo, and that is crossing the finish line. This is a small race (135 finishers), and if you look at the photos it’s obvious that someone would not be missed like that.

I have emailed the race director (generic "contact us" from the race website), alerting them to the concern and directing them to the blog and this thread.

I will post if I receive a response.

florida oldtimer wrote:

I'm working on the "raincoat Kip" from Boston but could use some help going through the all the photo's.

Thanks

I'm so mad at myself. I remember seeing another picture of the "raincoat Kip" in all those photos I went through, but I skipped over it, thinking "nope, that can't be him". I think I burned out my retinas staring at the screen... can't face it again yet.

Let's not forget that at some point Kipper has to go back and get said bicycle. Easier to take the T back past the last place he put the bike and run back with the slower crowd to get to that spot than run against flow of people.

Why is it I can't stay away from this thread??? Must put it down. Must turn away. Must get a life. Must...oh wtf. Who's got the next piece of evidence?

KipInAHaystack wrote:

City of Trees Marathon, Boise Idaho, 10/04/09

Suspicion #2: Places 1st thru 10th all have multiple race photos (usually about 8 photos) at multiple places (bridge, lighthouse, and finish). Kip has exactly 1 photo, and that is crossing the finish line. This is a small race (135 finishers), and if you look at the photos it’s obvious that someone would not be missed like that.

I have emailed the race director (generic "contact us" from the race website), alerting them to the concern and directing them to the blog and this thread.

I will post if I receive a response.

Nice job THanks for your efforts I will try and see

Letsrun to Kip Litton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIZLDeMOg0&feature=related

What about the detroit marathon relay where he got his team (that otherwise would have finished 2nd or 3rd I believe) DQed. I think one of the previous threads said he ran (or rather was supposed to run) the second leg. that leg starts around mile 6.5, finishes around 12, there are mats at around 8 and around 9 at the beginning and end of the tunnel. it would be really easy to cut any portion b/w 9 and 12 but i thought the prior thread said his splits at the tunnel were missing or there otherwise was something funky in that first portion of the leg. the only way to cut the first part of that leg is to drive over the bridge. given closed lanes on the bridge, customs etc. it would surely take longer to drive the long way than to run through the tunnel.

have i got the basic facts right? did his team/the race ever figure out how/where he cut? any one with first hand knowledge of what the deal was?

or maybe he took a boat across the river? given the complicated schemes in other races i wouldn't rule this out.

Sorry, but I went through those and found him on the bridge.I use to live there and know the area well from running. I think I found it in the lost and found. Sorry Kipinahaystack but my eyes are burning as well and can't remember where.

My $0.02 on psychology:

Given his furtive, rat-in-the-shadows behavior, he is NOT a Dean K-type attention whore. No entourage, no fanfare, not a sign of any friends or even his wife at the end of the race, just slipping in and out as inconspicuously as possible, trying to hit the mats, getting the numbers right thane hightailing it out. If he was planning a future of a book, speaking tour, etc., we would see more evidence of documenting with photographers instead of avoiding them, we would see some film-making, that sort of thing.

I am getting the vibe of a pure compulsive cheater, like the rich guy who compulsively shoplifts for the rush, the guy with the beautiful wife who cheats with much less attractive women, and so forth, all for the challenge and the buzz of being a near-criminal, but in this case not quite doing anything actually criminal (unless fraud comes into this with the charities).

I have no doubt that Kipper himself is getting a good hit off of this thread, even as the noose tightens on his little escapade.

Would you pay $20 for a book written by Kip that talked about the hows and the whys. The profit would go to him.

Billy Lingrun wrote:

Would you pay $20 for a book written by Kip that talked about the hows and the whys. The profit would go to him.

No, but I would cheat and download a copy of it to read.

Rarintogo wrote:

My $0.02 on psychology:

I am getting the vibe of a pure compulsive cheater, like the rich guy who compulsively shoplifts for the rush, the guy with the beautiful wife who cheats with much less attractive women, and so forth, all for the challenge and the buzz of being a near-criminal, but in this case not quite doing anything actually criminal (unless fraud comes into this with the charities).

I think you nailed it

I train with Kip and he's a good guy with very high ethical standards. There is no chance that he cheated, just a few jealous old farts spreading rumors to make themselves feel better. All of his workouts suggest 2:49 marathon shape right now.