Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

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Do you think Kip Litton and friends read this? I remember with the first Kip Litton thread (original), his friend came on here to defend Kip but was totally blown away after seeing all the evidence. Then, Bill Khan (author of the news article on kips accomplishments) came on here

pablo wrote:

Not to mention...the "Pine Hills 5k"....the Pine Hills area of Orlando...IS NOT a good place to hold a road race. It's...Commonly known around here as "Crime Hills".

As fraud is a crime, Pine Hills sounds like the perfect location for a fake race.

everything but the food wrote:

As fraud is a crime, Pine Hills sounds like the perfect location for a fake race.

Let's keep things in perspective here. Cheating in road races and posting fake road race results online, while despicable, are not by themselves crimes.

Yes, I think they read this. I am waitng for potty mouth Dan Baxley to post again defending Mr. Litton. He has been silent since his outburst back in the initial thread.

GaryB wrote:

So I've been trying to figure out how this guy got around the course at The Thunder Road Marathon last month. So check this out.

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I saw that there are 11 race photos of you at this event, but only 3 race photos for Kip. Consistent with other questionable results.

Perhaps someone could see if the vehicle you mentioned appears in any photos from the race.

Looks like a few LR faithfuls have been spreading the humor at Marathon Guide with a couple of new user-provided comments for the WWM...

http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=3777100703

Well, my theory was shot down! The reply from the the Thunder Road race folks was that they did have a PT Cruiser ON the course as an official vehicle!

Back to the drawing board!

I missed a lot of the action on this thread yesterday because I was stuck in meetings, but I had a chance to catch-up last night. WOW! What initially started as a guy allegedly cutting courses has escalated into confirmation that entire races were fabrications! Who would have thunk it?!

I was mentioning to a friend (who is also reading these threads) that a part of me wonders if this is Kip just messing with us, and that he's getting a kick out of this entire scam. This is fake life right??

I wouldn't be surprised if someone digs up a video on YouTube of Kip and 50 Cent rapping in his bedroom a la Keenan Cahill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwimc4cvUmQ

fun theory but no. The WWM website was created 5/2010 on the same date as worldrecordrun.com. It looks to have been all crafted starting then. Hence the bogus race idea predated all the threads.

One has to consider the possibility that Kip is trolling that absolute HELL out of everyone.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply)"

fred wrote:

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply)"

I think that describes me pretty well.

I was thinking about the way that he walks across the finish line for many of runs.

It could be that his MO for jumping into races is to position himself off-course towards the end of the race, maybe stretching against a tree or signpost. That way it would like he had just stepped off-course to stretch out an injury. Then he hobbles/ steps onto the course to heroically finish the race only to seize up again towards the end. The injury-walk at the end would help to make him look legit in case if anyone around saw his jump into the race.

Kyp Lyttyn wrote:

Looks like a few LR faithfuls have been spreading the humor at Marathon Guide with a couple of new user-provided comments for the WWM...

http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=3777100703

The submission by KL from Detroit is priceless: 'Beautiful course. Race went by so quickly that it was almost like I didn't run.' Do tell. It appears the submission was made y'day.

Good try because you never know, but as I said earlier, it's most likely the old stepping off the course trick or faking like one has to use the bathroom and going AWOL for a while.

How did Oscar Miranda do it in the 1981 Boston Marathon? He jumped in near the end, pre-chip and mat days, and 2 guys recalled seeing him enter the course through the crowds. He couldn't run a 2:17 marathon but he could run that pace near the end and the guys behind him were still catching him. I don't think he planned to well to believe that he didn't have a 10k pr at that pace and had just set the world record for his age group. Meaning people are going to ask questions as in what races did you run leading up to this. How do you train? How fast did you run last year? He forgot about those things and couldn't face the music (questions) after he finished.

I ran in NY and dozens of males were lined up "taking a leak" on the sides of buildings all over the course. One could have easily taken a quicker route to Central Park and blended in without any big deal. I have seen guys bolt back onto a course in past years and they were probably legit. Now with mats and cameras, it's a different ballgame. RD's will contact you for an explanation. If it's not good, off the official results sheet you go.

In Traverse City, it would be easy to exit off and enter on when things are clear, super easy actually. 99.9999% of us wouldn't do it and the only reason this guy is standing out is the times that he has claimed, the world record website, running for a charity, his body size, and winning divisions that he allegedly didn't really win...and then taking home prize money to boot. He got greedy.

Look at the NYC Marathon course map below. To get the 5 or 6 blocks from 16 miles across to the park would be easy. Having a sweatshirt pulled up till that point and then pulling it down while walking across to the park would be quite easy. Then pull it back up and blend in or take it off completely. You will miss mats or at least one for sure, but honestly, it wouldn't be that hard. I could pull it off easily by missing only one mat, but I'd never do it.

I am certainly NOT saying that I've got the answer, but most likely that's what he did for the races that actually exist. He's basically gambling that he isn't caught with someone seeing him in a different running outfits or catching him off the course and then seeing him finish. But when he doesn't show up in video or cameras at let's say the half way point, he gets DQ'ed. Then he just moves onto the next race hoping to stay under the radar.

Making up races is just beyond sociopathic. I would be very, very surprised if no one in his family knew. Sure it can be pulled off, but it wouldn't be easy.

I doubt he'd have a bike stashed (logistics) and although he may have an accomplice, that could be a mistake as well. Without a car or a bike, being on foot and shortening things is pretty much it if he actually started the race.

As I said about 10 pages ago:):), I am fairly certain RW or another source is going to do a piece on this. It's too intriguing based off his claims, his age, and his profession.

Long-winded, I know, but I seriously don't think there's any trick to what he's doing. He's had some luck for sure and he seems to have no conscious.

http://www.ingnycmarathon.org/documents/INGNYCM10_Course_Map_For_Media-4.pdf

I am thinking along those lines as well, for certain races where he's got his work cut out for him to re-enter. I had that in my long-winded post and removed it, but I too think that is part of it. Most spectators are watching the runners go by, not the guy by a tree. Very possible.

Also, the races where he changes shoes could be due to the attached D-Tag. I'm not sure if this suggests that he has an accomplice who he switches off shoes with?

You raise some very good points, but the one things about NYC (at least when I ran it a few years ago), was that once you got back into Manhattan (around mile 16), there were chip mats at every mile. Maybe this is what it is going to take to totally eliminate course cutting. Put a mat at the 5K, 10K, 13.1, and then one each mile after 16. Miss a mark, and you're DQ'd.

Just a thought.