You're an idiot dude.
What these "toys" accomplish is the destruction of dogma. The internet makes it so much more difficult to hide people from ideas. Exposing people to everything is what makes them think for themselves, and it's people thinking for themselves that is eventually going to be our salvation
The internet IS a conduit of ideas, knowledge and freedom. That's why there's porn and selfies, because stupid people are free too. Just as you're free to never look at any of that shit.
Ray himself wrote:
Exposing people to everything is what makes them think for themselves
The internet is the historical peak of mob mentality, the very opposite of independent thought.
Free thinking is as much subject choice as opinion. It's not just what you think, it's what you think about. And most internet users think about whatever everyone else is thinking about, which is generally determined by the major social media and news websites. A certain racist sports team owner for example. Without the internet, would so many people really trouble themselves about someone far away who they never heard of who owns a sports team they don't care about? Not a chance.
Visitors to major websites are routinely steered to reading or viewing the day's hot topics. Any variations are based mainly on tracking information, and it's far more insidious than most people think. Earlier today I typed the word "hamster" in a post here, navigated to youtube, and one of the first videos they wanted me to watch was about a hamster. I punished them by going to dailymotion and watching a hamster video there instead. But I had originally no intention of watching anything about a damn hamster. My actions had been manipulated. Youtube has long used this mind-track manipulation to trap people in various subject sections, like cat videos and fighter planes. People become unable to think of anything better to do.
Look man if you can't help yourself from watching a Hamster video, that is nothing except your problem... Stupid people are stupid. The internet isn't increasing the stupid, it's just reflecting it. And it's giving people who actually want to seek knowledge the ability to do so.
If you're interested in porn and hamsters, that's precisely what you'll find on the internet. If you're interested in knowledge and information, you'll find exactly that. The internet equally increases the stupid and the smart. It amplifies everything.
Ummmm...ever heard of Siri?
I'm predicting 2040. It will be the greatest threat to human existence we have ever encountered. It will just take off, continually redesign itself, and reach a level of intelligence we will never be able to comprehend. AI has nothing to do with the internet, selfies, hamster videos, or Lexuses as many of you misunderstand it. This is dealing with one of two possibilities, each equally terrifying: human extinction or immortality. If full AI is realized, one of these must occur. It seems increasingly likely to me that our universe is just a simulated reality that is the offspring of another universe, a stage in a cycle that continues infinitely into the past and future. If any of you are interested, the argument goes like this:
A technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true:
The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero;
The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero;
The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
If (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching posthumanity. If (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so. If (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion one’s credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Unless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
Please, let's debate this intelligently.
fisky wrote:
Ray Kurzweil predicts that computers will pass the Turing Test by 2029.
http://tinyurl.com/lov7fww
The Turing Test is irrelevant, simplistic, meaningless...
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
Old News wrote:The hurdle of Strong AI was cleared ages ago by military labs and industries. Hayabusa is a prime exmaple.
Ummm...no.
Ummm...yes.
better think this over now wrote:
KudzuRunner wrote:Because real intelligence and...reality are where the human lives.
Humans are just complex biological machines that have evolved with the purpose of replicating the DNA within its cells.
There is nothing supernatural about us. New intelligent life can emerge from computer programming that will be just as real and conscious as humans.
You have made a claim with no supporting evidence or logic. In other words, you have made a religious proclamation which has all the validity of other religious proclamations.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Ray himself wrote:Exposing people to everything is what makes them think for themselves
The internet is the historical peak of mob mentality, the very opposite of independent thought.
Free thinking is as much subject choice as opinion. It's not just what you think, it's what you think about. And most internet users think about whatever everyone else is thinking about, which is generally determined by the major social media and news websites. A certain racist sports team owner for example. Without the internet, would so many people really trouble themselves about someone far away who they never heard of who owns a sports team they don't care about? Not a chance.
Visitors to major websites are routinely steered to reading or viewing the day's hot topics. Any variations are based mainly on tracking information, and it's far more insidious than most people think. Earlier today I typed the word "hamster" in a post here, navigated to youtube, and one of the first videos they wanted me to watch was about a hamster. I punished them by going to dailymotion and watching a hamster video there instead. But I had originally no intention of watching anything about a damn hamster. My actions had been manipulated. Youtube has long used this mind-track manipulation to trap people in various subject sections, like cat videos and fighter planes. People become unable to think of anything better to do.
This ^
Well said.
The notion that "Exposing people to everything is what makes them think for themselves" is not even wrong.
EPO is my middle name wrote:
I'm predicting 2040. It will be the greatest threat to human existence we have ever encountered. It will just take off, continually redesign itself, and reach a level of intelligence we will never be able to comprehend.
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I don't understand "threat to human existence."
Look-- humans have reached a level of intelligence that an amoeba "will never be able to comprehend."
We don't threaten the existence of amoebas.
Why would a high level intelligence threaten our existence?
EPO is my middle name wrote:
It seems increasingly likely to me that our universe is just a simulated reality that is the offspring of another universe, a stage in a cycle that continues infinitely into the past and future.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what you said just before? You postulate an intelligence with the sophistication to "simulate reality." That intelligence hasn't threatened our existence yet.
EPO is my middle name wrote:
I'm predicting 2040. It will be the greatest threat to human existence we have ever encountered. It will just take off, continually redesign itself, and reach a level of intelligence we will never be able to comprehend. AI has nothing to do with the internet, selfies, hamster videos, or Lexuses as many of you misunderstand it. This is dealing with one of two possibilities, each equally terrifying: human extinction or immortality. If full AI is realized, one of these must occur. It seems increasingly likely to me that our universe is just a simulated reality that is the offspring of another universe, a stage in a cycle that continues infinitely into the past and future. If any of you are interested, the argument goes like this:
A technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true:
The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero;
The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero;
The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
If (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching posthumanity. If (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so. If (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion one’s credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Unless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
Please, let's debate this intelligently.
Much like multiverse theories, this is interesting but untestable and so of no predictive value. The assumptions are cleverly phrased yet meaningless because we don't actually know their values. Until the theory is empirically falsifiable it's just bong talk.
Kurzweil is obsessed with his own mortality, and so is desperate to believe that technology will advance to the point it renders him immortal within the timeframe of his natural lifespan.
malmo wrote:
Singularity is drunken dorm room talk. You can learn how it will all end by watching Terminator. One day Ahhnuld will come back from the future to assasinate Sergey Brin and Larry Page. Singularity fixed.The machines won't take over.
Seriously, at every stage during the march towards tech singulaity all that has resulted is a decrease in prodtivity and an explosion of devices of leasure. Apple went from the largest computer manufacture of the world to the largest toy manufacture of the world. The potential of the internet went from a conduit of ideas, knowledge and freedom to a smorgasbord of porn and selfies. The invention of the smartphone didnt add value to our lives, it became a tether to our addictions.
If you think the smartphone has sucked out all of our time and productivity, wait until 2030 when the wave of Indian Love Potion Silicone Concubines hit the market after singularity comes to fruitation(sic).
This is great, thank you!
Anyone guessing at something this century is crazy. I could see passing a Turing test in 40-50 years, but strong AI I'd put somewhere around the year 2200-2400. The human brain is just too far ahead right now.
The gap is closing exponentially. Take for instance IBM's Watson. It defeated the two greatest trivia whizzes in all of human history. Most mental tasks a computer can already do as well or better than a human on. The challenge is achieving ubiquity, or intelligence in every area. Strong AI would be intelligence that is not only much faster at processing than humans, which already exists, but also higher quality (think difference in quality between human and chimpanzee), and finally intelligence applicable in every area. As to your prediction of 2200-2400, an analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense 'intuitive linear' view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century—it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The 'returns,' such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to the Singularity—technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.
EPO is my middle name wrote:
The gap is closing exponentially. Take for instance IBM's Watson. It defeated the two greatest trivia whizzes in all of human history. Most mental tasks a computer can already do as well or better than a human on. The challenge is achieving ubiquity, or intelligence in every area. Strong AI would be intelligence that is not only much faster at processing than humans, which already exists, but also higher quality (think difference in quality between human and chimpanzee), and finally intelligence applicable in every area. As to your prediction of 2200-2400, an analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense 'intuitive linear' view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century—it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The 'returns,' such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to the Singularity—technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.
Cute. No seriously, definitely cute.
Everything you post beyond the "chips get faster" is pure, unadulterated speculation posing as knowledge. The cult of "Run For Your Lives, The Machines Are Coming" is just that, a cult.
It's already here. Ask Siri if he/she can think.
Think about this-
How good are you at recognizing intelligence higher than your own? Are you able to recognize superior intelligence via conversation or written word?
Exciting times!
Amazing Sci Non Fi wrote:
It's already here. Ask Siri if he/she can think.
Think about this-
How good are you at recognizing intelligence higher than your own? Are you able to recognize superior intelligence via conversation or written word?
Exciting times!
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