Ramzi = Drugs ??

f*** off frenchy...

ramzi = drugs. He looked way too controlled for racing that much in such a short amount of time. then there is his drastic drop in times, and his bro's coach getting busted. way too skeptical for me. but then again, im not a tree hugging pussy like jba.

After watching that last race...I think so.

I don't normally feel this way and gave him the benefit of the doubt until now. Did you see how easy he handled the 800m specialists? Remember, this is after 3 fast 1500m races and two fast 800m races within the week.

Thoughts?

agreed. you do not just come out of nowhere and do this.

and to those who are going to say that he did not come out of nowhere he did. you do not go from being el g's beotch to winning two world titles w/o a little doping.

and then there's the whole "his coaches brother was busted for drugs" issue that i am still not over.

1) Ramzi is has never broken 3'30 or 1'44

2) This has been one of the weakest years in both the 1,500m and 800m.

This was the best year for a middle distance runner with decent speed to double. You act as if the guy ran 1'42 and 3'28, and demolished amazing fields.

Don't you think he'll be tested and we'll find out once and for all?

he probably has already been tested. but now you can clone so many performance enhancers if you know the right people so that it will not show up in your test.

I agree...it seemed too easy for him. And he did come out of nowhere despite what people think.

People are going to refute us by saying there is no proof, but that's the world of track and field that we live in now. All good performances will be raised with skepticism.

There are probably dozens of other Victor Conti's floating around. Ask any chemistry professional and they will tell you that for the right price it is possible to develop a performance enhancing drug that cannot be detected by our current testing methods. Its sucks, but that's reality.

Yes, he improved by a lot in two years a lot like the other cheater, Craig Mottram.

2005 12:56.13

2004 12:55.76

2003 13:17.81

If you say Ramzi is juiced for improving so much, so is Mottram.

did he get blown away in a struggling 9th place... then run away from the field in another event?

if he had then i would say he definitly drugged up in between.

Ramzi and Mottram were both injured in 2003, and Ramzi ran 3:36 in 2003, it wasn't listed on his bio.

Innocent until proven guilty!

for you american idiots some have to run lousy otherwise he is on doping. go out for a run...

weicheier, klugscheisser, warmduscher, penner, neidhammel, volltrottel, dorfdeppen, mutterficker

Means nothing to mention Mottram coz did he not run about 13.10 in 2002.

Rashid Ramzi was tested at least 4 times this year and it was all negative. He was tested 3 times in Helsinki.

HE IS CLEAN PEOPLE, He is the next Aouita, el g, Morceli, Suleiman.

1500m remains arabic.

drunkenhyena wrote:

Don't you think he'll be tested and we'll find out once and for all?

As i posted in the other thread, r-EPO has no test, and it only stays in the body for 24 hours, and last for a couple weeks.

"Rashid Ramzi was tested at least 4 times this year and it was all negative"

So what, the Balco scandal has proved that this means absolutely nothing. The drug cheats are a step ahead of the testers.

thats why no one ever gets caught, right?

idiot.

balco. proud usa track and field at it's best.

it's likely that any given winner is on drugs:

presumably, drugs make people faster.

presumably, some elite athletes are on drugs.

therefore, those athletes on drugs should be the fastest

presumably, the fastest athlete wins

therefore, athletes on drugs should win.

therefore, it's likely that the winners are on drugs.

the only way a clean athlete can win is if he/she is vastly superior to his cheating counterparts before using drugs, or if the cheaters make big tactical errors, or if drugs don't actually help very much.

i say there are three ways ramzi could be clean. first - of all the people who would be among the best few 800m runners in the world if no one were taking drugs, none are taking drugs. second - the drugs people are taking are not very effective for male middle distance runners. third - the fastest people aren't winning, due to poor racing

i don't know how likely any of these scenarios are.

yes - but love to proved wrong