Sweden’s maverick approach to covid management

Stupidity kills wrote:

Meh. Let me know when you find the data to fit your confirmation bias.

Yup. And you do the same.

still here? wrote:

Stupidity kills wrote:

Remember that different countries are on different timelines. The FT analysis does a good job of showing this.

1. Number of cases (new, existing, etc) does nothing for me. Some countries test more than others. Some don’t want to, others can’t afford to. Whatever reason. Its no surprise that the US is at the top of that list as we are going to be in best position to test

2. New death comparisons mean nothing unless they do it on a per capita basis.

The Financial Times really ought to know better than to portray numbers in just absolute terms

This site has better graphs. You can choose normalized by population (3rd graph down), and look at active cases, confirmed cases, cases/day, deaths, and recovered. Also choose from log or linear graphs.

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

You do realize that Sweden at least started this pandemic with a functioning government & healthcare for all?

So you are saying what Sweden did by NOT shutting their country down was a good or bad thing?

If we had their health care system would that have prevented what is occurring in NY?

Bump for a reply from jesseriley

That's because Swedes aren't morons.

jesseriley wrote:

still here,

You are aware that this is not a true statement?

- “The world will have to learn to live with the virus without shitting everything down.”

For one thing it’s in the future, for another our current style of living is new & we know it’s not sustaining itself.

First off all, I wrote shutting. You’ve changed it to sh*tting, just like Jim Acosta and that Alcindor woman would, you fake news troll.

Secondly, the statement is absolutely true m

I’m sorry the other thread was shut down. My understanding is that it was full of personal attacks & disinformation, etc.

zzzz wrote:

This site has better graphs. You can choose normalized by population (3rd graph down), and look at active cases, confirmed cases, cases/day, deaths, and recovered. Also choose from log or linear graphs.

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

Thanks. I do like the 3rd graph, log version. Our Swedish friends look to be holding their own. Early days still, obviously, but hopefully it holds.

The 4th graph (US states) also very interesting. Washington state has done really well...

No problem, but please let me know your thoughts on my questions :

So you are saying what Sweden did by NOT shutting their country down was a good or bad thing?

If we had their health care system would that have prevented what is occurring in NY?

Sweden, as was pointed out, never suffered in recent wars; so perhaps there is a more laidback attitude & greater trust in the system. Although they have gone their own way here, and (based on other countries) completely messed it up, they at least began the pandemic with a fully functioning government (unlike USA, Russia, Iran, UK, Brazil). They weren’t convulsed with violence & political discord & insane leadership. It’s obvious to me they were wrong, but I’m hopeful they can change without catastrophe.

I’m a socialist, Sweden’s socialist system makes it overall easier to absorb the blow from the virus in my view. Socialism is more a treatment than a cure. Besides having a medical system in place, there’s more solidarity & teamwork.

USA, we’re starting off four touchdowns behind. Besides our political divisions, the government has zero information on my health or anyone’s health, really. Hard to treat 300 million strangers quickly! Fortunately my health is good, but as a nation we are in trouble.

NY specifically, the hospitals & doctors & government have never even worked together. Cuomo is having to invent instant socialized medicine en masse. Very tough deal.

Healthcare for all in USA is often couched as a difficulty & expense in instituting it rapidly. Turns out, now we have no choice. But we did succeed in wasting decades talking about it.

jesseriley wrote:

Healthcare for all in USA is often couched as a difficulty & expense in instituting it rapidly. Turns out, now we have no choice. But we did succeed in wasting decades talking about it.

"Healthcare for all," well judging from video coming out of China, that's just a cot to die on, if you're lucky, and not welded in your apartment and left to die or something.

So you saying what Sweden has done so far is wrong, but you want their health care set up? Would their health care set up have helped the situation in NY, and if so, please explain why/how. Thanks!

You’re welcome. Feel free to re-read, it will answer your queries.

jesseriley wrote:

USA, we’re starting off four touchdowns behind. Besides our political divisions, the government has zero information on my health or anyone’s health, really. Hard to treat 300 million strangers quickly! Fortunately my health is good, but as a nation we are in trouble.

Why do you think the U.S. Health Care system is so bad and that they don't have any info on anyone?

I walked into the ER a couple of years ago and didn't have any ID/Health Insurance Policy # on me and gave them my DOB and SS# and a shockingly large amount of information popped up on me. I just needed to confirm most everything they asked me. I hadn't been to a doctor or the hospital for about three years prior to that visit and was amazed at the process.

jesseriley wrote:

You’re welcome. Feel free to re-read, it will answer your queries.

I'm just a sad, frustrated coach and definitely not as smart or in tune to this situation and couldn't follow your wordy response.

Keep it simple for me/everyone else and explain why you feel what Sweden has done, or how their health care system would, or would not, have changed the situation in NY. Thanks!

I would advise to just report the posts that are too wordy.

And again, sorry the other thread was canned. I believe it featured lots of brief, colorful commentary that I’m sure you will enjoy going through.

So you don't want to answer the question?