LOL
I can guarantee you the same folks rolling their eyes and calling it media driven are the ones hoarding all the toilet paper and hand sani.
Hey liberal brainchild, the elderly are always in danger. You know, because science has proven that.
Where's your scientific proof of this? Moran
Asdfasd wrote:
I know 90 percent of people understand this, but not getting to go to your thing, race, whatever, is a minor inconvenience. Dying, on the other hand, kind of a big deal. I do not want to lose a parent over this. It could happen. I have one who is immunocompromised, and I am scared.
Really?
I work for a company very closely tied in with the entertainment industry. If sports / entertainment events are wholesale cancelled for months on end it's obviously going to directly effect people employed in stadiums / arenas / theatres / festivals / nearby bars and restaurants / hotels / vehicle rental companies / airlines / etc / etc not to mention companies like mine.
You need to think a bit harder outside your own clearly self-isolated bubble to believe that the current situation is just a "minor inconvenience" to protect grandpas. The economy is going to be destroyed, at least in the short term, through the current course of action, people are going to lose their jobs, possibly their homes and subsequently struggle to feed / house their families. Nice "minor inconvenience".
Comparisons to EBOLA? Are you effing kidding. The dems are officially off the rails.
Yeah dude, I know, I have family who work in the entertainment industry too. And you know what? As long as you don't die, you can bounce back.
CoronaCurious wrote:
Asdfasd wrote:
I know 90 percent of people understand this, but not getting to go to your thing, race, whatever, is a minor inconvenience. Dying, on the other hand, kind of a big deal. I do not want to lose a parent over this. It could happen. I have one who is immunocompromised, and I am scared.
Really?
I work for a company very closely tied in with the entertainment industry. If sports / entertainment events are wholesale cancelled for months on end it's obviously going to directly effect people employed in stadiums / arenas / theatres / festivals / nearby bars and restaurants / hotels / vehicle rental companies / airlines / etc / etc not to mention companies like mine.
You need to think a bit harder outside your own clearly self-isolated bubble to believe that the current situation is just a "minor inconvenience" to protect grandpas. The economy is going to be destroyed, at least in the short term, through the current course of action, people are going to lose their jobs, possibly their homes and subsequently struggle to feed / house their families. Nice "minor inconvenience".
Yes, really.
The OP wasn't criticizing you for wanting to be able to feed your family and pay your bills. The OP's post was clearly a criticism of people who put their wants ahead of other peoples' safety i.e. the people who put having fun ahead of public safety. Oh and you trivializing public health regulations as just a means of 'protecting grandpa' and telling people they're in 'self-isolated[ bubbles' ain't gonna win you any fans.
It will be all around us in 3 weeks. Flattening the curve is a great idea but it’s not going to go down like that.
Ajax wrote:
Yes, really.
The OP wasn't criticizing you for wanting to be able to feed your family and pay your bills. The OP's post was clearly a criticism of people who put their wants ahead of other peoples' safety i.e. the people who put having fun ahead of public safety. Oh and you trivializing public health regulations as just a means of 'protecting grandpa' and telling people they're in 'self-isolated[ bubbles' ain't gonna win you any fans.
Absolutely disagree and not particularly interested in winning "fans". The OP's specific wording was - "not getting to go to your thing, race, whatever, is a minor inconvenience".
Basically, as I said, this is downplaying people's rights to entertainment, in whatever way, as an inconvenience. I expanded upon that previously to point out just how non trivial a mindset that is for a massive part of the economy and what the knock-on effect of that will be. We need to get beyond that "it's all about me and my family" mindset to realise there will be life threatening (heart attacks / suicides / people starving) consequences following the current course of action not caused by the disease itself.
It's about balance isn't it?
Trivialising the effects of wholesale shutdowns is as stupid as trivialising the seriousness of the disease itself.
The flu only appears to be more deadly because so many people have had it. Millions of people get the flu every year, but as of yesterday there were 142,539 coronavirus cases reported worldwide and 5,393 have died. This obviously excludes people who are infected but haven't been tested as well as people who died but were never tested and subsequently can't be said to have died from coronavirus. For the known statistics, 100x(5,393/142,539)= ~3.784, meaning the current death rate for COVID-19 based on available data is 3.874%. For comparison, the CDC reported that in from 1/10/19 to 7/3/20, there were an estimated 36,000,000-51,000,000 cases of the flu worldwide (I used this data because it's within roughly the same time frame that we've been dealing with coronavirus; it wouldn't be fair to compare a full year of flu data to three months of coronavirus data), and that of those cases 22,000-55,000 were fatal (like the cornavirus data, these exclude cases in which people either didn't test for or report the flu). Sorry for the broad estimates but they haven't finalized the data yet. Based on those numbers, the flu has an estimated death rate anywhere between ~0.061% and ~0.108%. That's between the beginning of last October and last Saturday. In a similar time frame, coronavirus has an estimated death rate of 3.784%. So you'll find that coronavirus is 35-62 times more fatal than the flu.
In case you're still not convinced, look at what happened in Italy. This is bad. This isn't "media-driven panic." This is a pandemic, and the sooner we all take it seriously, the sooner it will be over and the fewer people will die.
Sources:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
We need more medical workers, educators, and farmers. Those fields actually benefit society. We don’t need more entertainment. This is a good opportunity for people to realize what’s important and to get real jobs.
Jogger Hobby wrote:
H1N1 and Ebola and the just the regular flu (THIS YEAR) have been much more deadly.
*have been more deadly SO FAR this year.
That will likely change in the next 3-4 weeks and continue after that.
Asdfasd wrote:
I know 90 percent of people understand this, but not getting to go to your thing, race, whatever, is a minor inconvenience. Dying, on the other hand, kind of a big deal. I do not want to lose a parent over this. It could happen. I have one who is immunocompromised, and I am scared.
People die from the regular flu. This is not a big deal. Hysteria and panic is never a good idea.