I've never bought any before but am considering them for my first serious marathon in a few weeks.
Recommendations for racing flats good for over pronators? I found a thread from 3 years ago but wonder if there are any updated models.
For every day trainers I've had lots of injury free success with Asics Kayanos for about 15 years.
Why do you only want "non-carbon" shoes?
Three reasons:
-Cost
-Same reason I don’t take epo
-I’m a purist and want to show my fitness, not my shoe’s capabilities.
Seriously looking for recommendations though.
Well said OP!
Totally appreciate guys like yourself clinging on to what is morally correct whilst others take the easy way out and then do mental gymnastics to try and pretend to themselves that the shoes weren't doing anything anyway!
These guys are some of the funniest people on year - posting that "yeah, let's go back to running barefoot" nonsense continuously whilst basking in the glow of their pathetic new bounced sub 40 10k PRs.
Keep it Real.
The only real stability racer right now is the Saucony fastwitch but it's a classic flat and you will pay a heavy price at the end of a marathon and afterwards. I'd suggest just racing in a pair of DS Trainers.
Brooks Asteria and New Balance 1500v6 offer a bit of medial posting.
whonamestheirkidgerman? wrote:
Three reasons:
-Cost
-Same reason I don’t take epo
-I’m a purist and want to show my fitness, not my shoe’s capabilities.
Seriously looking for recommendations though.
Respect what you are saying. In case you change your mind: I bought the Vapor fly 4 percent and pulled out the glued in sock liners and inserted my own insoles (power steps). It adds a bit of weight but the insoles do the trick and the 4 percents still work great.
In general, I feel like you should buy the shoe you like and remedy the overpronation part with the insole that corrects your pronation. IMO, motion control shoes and even stability shoes are too heavy and clunky if you care at all about your time.
whonamestheirkidgerman? wrote:
I've never bought any before but am considering them for my first serious marathon in a few weeks.
Recommendations for racing flats good for over pronators? I found a thread from 3 years ago but wonder if there are any updated models.
For every day trainers I've had lots of injury free success with Asics Kayanos for about 15 years.
If you are a pureist on running shoes.
Just get a pair of non existent cushioned shoes, tennis shoes or something and add an inside of choice. otherwise the shoes are dictating your race pace with all the added protection you are receiving.
If you are not that much of a purist as you’ve not strength your feet etc you need to start thinking that’s the shoes that are single density midsole as duel duel foams, airpods, torsion shanks etc are mechanically improving your stride to be more efficient.
Not many about but you can read the manufacture description to find out what they are up to.
Good luck on your marathon
when you train in Kayanos, basically anything else could be considered a racing flat.
Asics DS Trainer is lightish and somewhat stable.
Adidas Tempo 9 is discontinued but would suit you very well. Probably my top pick for you.
NB 1500 would be good if you aren't too heavy or slow.
Brooks Ravenna would be alright but it's definitely not a racing shoe, just a lightish trainer.
The Brooks Asteria seems to fit the bill but I don't know anything about it.
If I were OP and only used to running in the Kayano, I'd get a DS Trainer or would get a neutral shoe like the Adidas Boston and put an insert in it. but really, try to find a Adidas Tempo and then order a half size bigger than normal.
I had the Asteria at one point. It weighed and fit like a light trainer but it felt like a flat underfoot. That shoe was just too hard and had no bounce. It did feel stable though.
I’m not a barefoot running purist. Only that I don’t think they should provide a mechanical advantage.
Shoes inherently should protect or correct but not much more.
No one argues that a facemask in football is performance enhancing. It just protects so you can keep playing. That’s what shoes should do.
Thanks!
I’m leaning towards the DS trainer as I’m certain they’ll fit well given brand familiarity. I’m gonna try some on today.
Based on some of your suggestions...
I’m 6ft, 160 and hoping to break 2:50.
One more Q. What’s the expected return from flats vs trainers for a marathon?
Thanks for the feedback!
I just ran in a pair of Saucony Fastwitch today for the first time. About 7 miles with some strides. My feet don't feel any worse than they would with my normal shoes, which are NB 860v10 and/or Saucony Triumph ISO 5.
They did feel light, and I didn't any any support problems.
whonamestheirkidgerman? wrote:
I’m not a barefoot running purist. Only that I don’t think they should provide a mechanical advantage.
Shoes inherently should protect or correct but not much more.
No one argues that a facemask in football is performance enhancing. It just protects so you can keep playing. That’s what shoes should do.
Think you miss my point, all shoes provide a mechanical advantage over barefoot, exempt minimal which have a slight reduction.
Beside a football face mask always you to be hit harder for long, much like cushioned shoes. If you then have duel density or an air pocket or tpu shank/wave or each a player (nylon or carbon) you increase the the efficiency through the gait cycle.
Sure you might might to limit it but it’s there, then you have the various foams, more energy return through solid block. These will allow you to provide more or less force or and have slight mechanical advantage over a distance.
It’s wrong to say you don’t want mechanical advantage you should rather say you want to limit any and in that case go with a single density midsole with nothing else. Unless you are running a marathon you could probably use $5 store shoes which would meet your criteria. Sure you would probably need to buy a new pair after each race or just get want people ran in in the 60/70 a pair of pimsoles.
whonamestheirkidgerman? wrote:
Three reasons:
-Cost
-Same reason I don’t take epo
-I’m a purist and want to show my fitness, not my shoe’s capabilities.
Seriously looking for recommendations though.
You travel fast, not the shoe. Bad shoes make you slower, good shoes don’t make you faster. How stupid are you.