flexible cushioned roomy 6mm drop TPU foamed daily trainers

Get the Saucony Freedom 3s. They are exactly what you described other than the 4mm drop. That said, the heel feels adequately cushioned and not at all harsh if you do happen to heel strike like some 4mm drop shoes can.

The Triumph 17 is awesome. Has an 8mm drop but meets your other needs. But if you want a little less weight then try the Freedom 3. 4 mm drop.

Thanks both

Forget to mention that in question 8mm is preferable to a drop of

sorry, text got cut somehow...

anyway....

In question i prefer a drop of 8mm more than 4mm as my heels don't touch the ground more in my Kinvaras than they do in my Escalantes.

I use the drop more as a slope to land on so i can more or less keep my usual foot position, but actually land on the midfoot or flat with the shoe.

The Triumph looks nice, if a bit on the pricier side.

I'm not in a hurry though as i'm happy with my current shoe rotation, but maybe end of this season...

Ok, in case anyone is interested, i just ordered a pair of New Balance Fuelcell Propels instead.

NB beacon.

Thanks, but too late for me. (see post above)

I'm a fan of TPU midsoles, i just hope the Propels won't be too soft, as indicated in some reviews.

I'm also not the greatest fan of midsoles acting as outsoles. The outsole of the Propel looks nice.

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Thanks, but too late for me. (see post above)

I'm a fan of TPU midsoles, i just hope the Propels won't be too soft, as indicated in some reviews.

I'm also not the greatest fan of midsoles acting as outsoles. The outsole of the Propel looks nice.

You messed up. The Propel ride is good, but the upper is so wide and has no lockdown. The Pwrrun+ in the Triumph and Freedom 3 is better than FuelCell too.

Well i love my Escalante 1.5s which are often said to have sloppy uppers aswell and have no problems with those at all despite their original shoe laces constantly got untied on their own.

What made me decide against the Triumph is that many reviews seem to think of it being a bit stiff regarding it's forefoot flexibility.

I already have the 1080 if i want that.

I could also get two pairs of the Propels for the price of one pair of the Triumphs at the moment.

Will soon know wether it was a mistake or not

But i think those will be first world problems as most shoes should be more than good enough by now.

1080s are you running in the v10? Id like to think (after 50mi) 1080s are a better Beacon.

Skechers Ride 8 but reportedly is stiff?

**I believe the Propel is running Short

yes, 1080v10

I've read that some think the Propel fits small, but i hope that i still can get along with my usual US size 11.5 that i've never had any problems with yet

Ok, shoes arrived today

About to send them back tomorrow before even running in them once

here's why:

- the shoe fits indeed small, i could still live with it, but just so little space in front of my toes is not ideal

- despite being small i have serious heel slippage inside them. They don't have the pair of additional eyelets for the shoe laces in such cases that most other shoes have. Thicker socks also didn't really help

- biggest issue has been the heel tab though. Is there any reason it has to be that tall, other than poking your Achilles? Never had a shoe that did this that severe

As i've already said, i haven't run in them yet (as i'm planning to return them) but just by comparing them as good as possible by simple on feet tests, i think the 1080v10 is the better shoe in pretty much any regard except for maybe the 10g (0.3oz) these would save me in my size 11 1/2 if that did matter at all.

They are certainly not bad, but they don't seem to fit my feet at all.

The Freedoms look interesting, but let's first see what other nice things this year has in it's sleaves

I actually like the Propel a lot. I'd been on the hunt for a do-everything shoe. I was in the adidas Boston for a while, but that level of cushioning came up lacking for me on most long runs or easy runs on pavement and the toebox was just on the narrow and shallow side. I also tried out the Asics Dynaflyte, which worked well for me in the past. The latest version felt hard and a bit clunky. I was also concerned about the lacing and heel tab on the Propel, but has not been an issue at all so far. I get good lock-down with standard lacing in them and they are overall flexible enough (forefoot and heel counter) that I've had zero issues with slipping. It fits me really well. If you're wearing them around the house and finding problems then it may not work for your feet.

I only did comparisons with my current shoes, jumping around and fake running at home.

I really liked the forefoot cushioning, though at least during these not really representative tests, it also didn't really feel any better than that of my other trainers (which are at least in my opinion also very very good shoes of course)

The heel cushioning seemed almost ridiculously soft though, which actually might be a good combination with my forefoot oriented strike.

I don't have Achilles issues (yet), but i've never felt a shoe poking my Achilles before (lightly of course), so i don't know how this would turn out in the long run.

I'm still debating wether i might actually take them for a run, but then it's over with eventually returning them i guess.

1) Always try shoes on before you buy them unless you

2) Have a crystal clear idea of how the shoe will run

I've never been disappointed with shoes I've bought online because I knew what I was getting.

Conversely I've gotten Pegasus 36s in-store which were fine for a while until the upper started hurting my foot when I ran. I was unclear on what I was getting because in my head Nike couldn't possibly take a shoe which I liked (Pegasus 35) and ruin the upper to save less than 10 grams. I was deluding myself into believing that Nike was an Okay company despite the nagging awareness that they don't care about athletes not on payroll and are Exploitative to the maximum. Buying 2 pairs of Nike Elite soccer shoes at a steep discount on Ebay was a great experience and I still play in them.

I'm looking forward to the New Balance Fresh Foam Tempo personally.

I don't really have much hopes that Saucony will touch the Fastwitch in Just the Way I Like It, but the 9s came as a great surprise to me and I new I would buy them at first sight.

I never really had bad experiences buying shoes online before, other than once when i didn't really know about midsole offsets and i accidently bought my first (and only) pair of 12mm drop shoes. I could still run in them and in hindsight i am even happy since they made me a forefoot runner, because otherwise those shoes felt horrible.

My runs are usually 10k max anyway so this is not really an issue.

All the other times i bought my shoes online were great purchases.

Still unsure - maybe i'm taking the Propels for a run tomorrow anyway and if they suck, they'll be damned to be my bad weather shoes. And who knows, maybe i'm even starting to love them despite my initial impressions

just an update in case anyone is interested:

at first i regretted getting them outside after my first run instead of just sending them back

I then left them inside my closet for a few days. Can't even remember exactly why i gave them a second chance, but now i really like them and ran almost exclusively in them in the past few weeks (other than my Kinvara 10 on the gym's treadmill - which won't be used in the foreseeable future since as of today, it has been announced that gyms are getting closed too in Germany, thanks to Corinna)

Of all my fears, the only manifested issues i actually have with these:

- their small fit. It's still fine, but half size up wouldn't have hurt.

- it's not a fast day's shoe, but that's alright.

- outsole wears extraordiarily fast for me on the lateral edges under the forefoot where i land. Same happens with my 1080v10. I never experienced this with other brands. Even my K10 with literally no outsole to speak of in that area still looks fresh. On my Escalantes it took me several hundred miles to make that zone look like those NB shoes after my first run in them.

Won't mind picking another pair when they're done, but i will probably also be getting a pair of the Freedoms when they happen to be like 40-50% off their current price (they're mostly 170 Euros here in germany ffs)

… And I have absolutely zero idea what shoe you're talking about.

Oopsy, i have mentioned in one of my previous posts, but it indeed has been a while...

anyways, i was talking about the NB Fuelcell Propel, sorry