Can someone please get a verified response from USATF if alphaflys or any other prototypes will be allowed? This will give the entire field the chance to know what they are lining up against 5 weeks in advance.
You have to check in your spikes at a track meet and can get turned away. Why wouldn't this be the same?
Calling on you Brojos/Mr. Gault. Much respect for what you do.
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
Can someone please get a verified response from USATF if alphaflys or any other prototypes will be allowed? This will give the entire field the chance to know what they are lining up against 5 weeks in advance.
You have to check in your spikes at a track meet and can get turned away. Why wouldn't this be the same?
Calling on you Brojos/Mr. Gault. Much respect for what you do.
Isn’t the IAAF or whoever making a decision by the end of this week about the shoes? Maybe (hopefully) we’ll hear this week!
Everyone will get a pair upon check-in for the Trials.
KraftMacAndCheese wrote:
Isn’t the IAAF or whoever making a decision by the end of this week about the shoes? Maybe (hopefully) we’ll hear this week!
Hmm, do you have the shoes? Were you given them? Are you Bowerman? I'm watching this persons tweets. Seems to know a lot about the situation.
PS: Kudos to Bromka for not wearing them at C.I.M. 2019 or Houston. He could have qualified with them.
https://twitter.com/Crazie_Daizee/status/1202785932535123969AT THESWOOSH wrote:
Everyone will get a pair upon check-in for the Trials.
I hope so. Hope they aren't banned. Easier to set a new PR down the road.
Isn't a decision due this week?
I see nothing but lawsuits either way. Imagine the uproar if Nike athletes qualify wearing them at the trials, and Nike will no doubt challenge the ruling.
No more Vaporfly Stories. It's Alphafly now! wrote:
KraftMacAndCheese wrote:
Isn’t the IAAF or whoever making a decision by the end of this week about the shoes? Maybe (hopefully) we’ll hear this week!
Hmm, do you have the shoes? Were you given them? Are you Bowerman? I'm watching this persons tweets. Seems to know a lot about the situation.
PS: Kudos to Bromka for not wearing them at C.I.M. 2019 or Houston. He could have qualified with them.
https://twitter.com/Crazie_Daizee/status/1202785932535123969
In my wildest dreams I would be given them.
Don't Shoes improve ALL THE TIME? Would ANY Current Runners be willing to race The Trials in shoes similar to what Derek Clayton wore when he set his World Records of 2:09.37 and then 2:08.33? How about the shoes Zatopek wore? Why not jhust have everyone run barefoot like Abeba Bikila?
Earlyboy wrote:
Isn't a decision due this week?
I see nothing but lawsuits either way. Imagine the uproar if Nike athletes qualify wearing them at the trials, and Nike will no doubt challenge the ruling.
I believe it is supposed to be released this Friday.
I would wear them, if I had access to them. I just don't think Prototypes should be allowed if I can't buy it like everyone else for $250.
sauce on that?
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
Can someone please get a verified response from USATF if alphaflys or any other prototypes will be allowed? This will give the entire field the chance to know what they are lining up against 5 weeks in advance.
You have to check in your spikes at a track meet and can get turned away. Why wouldn't this be the same?
Calling on you Brojos/Mr. Gault. Much respect for what you do.
I think there would actually be a punch up if someone wearing alphaflys won!
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
I would wear them, if I had access to them. I just don't think Prototypes should be allowed if I can't buy it like everyone else for $250.
This is exactly the point. Shoes don't give an unfair advantage if everybody could buy a pair but in a case where prototypes are used that are limited to a couple of elite runners, it becomes a formula one type of game where drivers from the top team win all the time.
douglas burke wrote:
Don't Shoes improve ALL THE TIME? Would ANY Current Runners be willing to race The Trials in shoes similar to what Derek Clayton wore when he set his World Records of 2:09.37 and then 2:08.33? How about the shoes Zatopek wore? Why not jhust have everyone run barefoot like Abeba Bikila?
Brush spikes were an improvement, but no one wears them anymore.
Baltsu wrote:
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
I would wear them, if I had access to them. I just don't think Prototypes should be allowed if I can't buy it like everyone else for $250.
This is exactly the point. Shoes don't give an unfair advantage if everybody could buy a pair but in a case where prototypes are used that are limited to a couple of elite runners, it becomes a formula one type of game where drivers from the top team win all the time.
I agree, glad you mentioned 'prototypes' as a whole as at least we think we know the make up/construction of the Alphafly (but who knows what iteration they're on now) - goodness knows what was in those sky high Adidas seen a few weeks ago (same could be said for the NB/Brooks/Saucony prototypes too I suppose). It's all a bit of a mess, but banning prototypes from competition races would be a good start.
Fuller brush man wrote:
Brush spikes were an improvement, but no one wears them anymore.
Modern sprint spikes are basically brush spikes. The number of metal spikes is limited, but not the number of plastic spikes. The effect--giving the athlete a broad, stable surface to press against--is the same.
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
You have to check in your spikes at a track meet and can get turned away. Why wouldn't this be the same?
See, the thing is, there are rules about spikes. There are no rules about road racing shoes.
KraftMacAndCheese wrote:
No more Vaporfly Stories. It's Alphafly now! wrote:
Hmm, do you have the shoes? Were you given them? Are you Bowerman? I'm watching this persons tweets. Seems to know a lot about the situation.
PS: Kudos to Bromka for not wearing them at C.I.M. 2019 or Houston. He could have qualified with them.
https://twitter.com/Crazie_Daizee/status/1202785932535123969In my wildest dreams I would be given them.
Bromka wore the next% at CIM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7J791JnxUs/?igshid=1segijyeqit5dI think someone posted the shoe "rule" that said something like- shoes can offer protection and support but not aid the runner.
If that's the case then the shoes should be banned.
Now- I wear custom orthotics, many runners do, they offer support but you can also say that they aid me.
Support in shoes aid someone who has bio mechanical inefficiencies, don't they?
There is no easy solution but I'm leaning to the- let them go and other companies will develop their own or let their runners buy them and race in them.
ALPHAFLY IN ATL wrote:
I would wear them, if I had access to them. I just don't think Prototypes should be allowed if I can't buy it like everyone else for $250.
They will be available to ALL athletes in Atlanta. You'll hear more soon.