Looking for a stability shoe with extra soft marshmallow-like cushioning (like the Nike React foam). Anyone have any recommendations? I've tried the NB Vomero but the cushioning seemed to stiff. Considering Hoka Arahi as they seem to be the only other stability shoes with possibly soft cushioning.
The new saucony hurricane by far. Just a straight up pillow. Too soft imo but go for what you like.
It's pretty difficult to make something stable out of mush. You'll just topple towards wherever your weakness is.
Yes. The Mizuno Wave Horizon! Look for the coming Horizon 4 this March in the US (it's now available in Europe, Australia and South America). It incorporates the new X-pop material in the midsole. Looks like a major winner.
hoka clifton.
The hoka bondi is considered too soft by many.
the clifton is a neutral shoe. I think the Arahi is the same shoe but with some support. How's the cushioning on the clifton?
shoe talk wrote:
the clifton is a neutral shoe. I think the Arahi is the same shoe but with some support. How's the cushioning on the clifton?
You know, you are right. I run in the things and they sure feel like a stablilty shoe compared to anything else i've run in, but i looked it up, and you are right. It does say "Flat-waisted geometry provides inherent stability" on hoka website so i guess infered from that the wrong classification. Anyway, in answer to your other question, it has a lot of cushioning, in line with Nike Zoomfly, which is to say, more than anyother shoe i've run in except maybe the Nike VF.
the clifton is way way way softer than the nike zoom fly.
and the arahi is NOT the stability version of the clifton. it doesn't have the higher arch. it's firmer. it has more lateral stability and is basically built for people with flat feet.
the new saucony hurricane is probably the softest stability shoe on the market. the Altra Paradigm would also fit that demographic.
the clifton is fairly stable for a neutral shoe but it's nothing close to a stability shoe.
IMO the Hoka gaviota is Hokas best stability shoe. Its bigger, thus heavier, but has more of the traditional hoka softness than the arahi. The gaviota is technical a motion control shoe, but its worth the try. I prefer it, ver much, over the arahi.
Another option is the Brooks GTS Adrenaline. With the 19 and 20, they removed the medial post and went with a guide rail. The result is that there is no hard post, so the shoe seems noticeably softer, actually drawing comparisons yo the Brooks Ghost line of shoes. The guide rail is there to act as a "bumper" for when you foot starts to move out of alignment.
reed wrote:
the clifton is way way way softer than the nike zoom fly.
and the arahi is NOT the stability version of the clifton. it doesn't have the higher arch. it's firmer. it has more lateral stability and is basically built for people with flat feet.
the new saucony hurricane is probably the softest stability shoe on the market. the Altra Paradigm would also fit that demographic.
the clifton is fairly stable for a neutral shoe but it's nothing close to a stability shoe.
By firmer, do you mean the cushioning is firmer (not as spongy) or it doesn't flex as much? I have flat feet but have been able to run in neutral shoes with the use of orthotics to provide some arch support and help pronation. I'm looking to see if there's a stability shoe that might provide me with some more support. Not sure what you mean by lateral stability but if it might help with flat feet maybe it might work for me. The hurricane seems a bit heavy compared to the Arahi but might not be a problem since I'm just looking for a shoe to do recovery/easy runs in.
The Nike Odyssey React is a stability shoe with cushioning just like the Nike React foam.
There's also the new Nike React Infinity. Supposed to be stable yet uniquely cushioned like no other.
Hoka Gaviota 2. Original Arahi a close 2nd. Later versions of the Arahi don't have the cushioning.
In about 250 miles, my Cliftons were bottomed out under the big toe side of my forefoot. It made my pronation problems worse.
I second this.
The Brooks adrenaline is basically the Ghost with Guiderails.
A softer (and more expensive one) is the Brooks Transcend. That’s basically the same foam as the Glycerine. (Softest shoe Brooks makes).
Nike React Infinity. A double dose of React foam, so a touch on the heavy side, but platform is quite stable.
shoe talk wrote:
reed wrote:
and the arahi is NOT the stability version of the clifton. it doesn't have the higher arch. it's firmer. it has more lateral stability and is basically built for people with flat feet.
By firmer, do you mean the cushioning is firmer (not as spongy) or it doesn't flex as much? I have flat feet but have been able to run in neutral shoes with the use of orthotics to provide some arch support and help pronation. I'm looking to see if there's a stability shoe that might provide me with some more support. Not sure what you mean by lateral stability but if it might help with flat feet maybe it might work for me. The hurricane seems a bit heavy compared to the Arahi but might not be a problem since I'm just looking for a shoe to do recovery/easy runs in.
by firmer I mean that its firmer? less spongy of course, and yes a little stiffer but all hokas are stiff. most stability shoes are going to be better support than a neutral shoe with an arch support. you should have analysis done to see if you actually overpronate, as not everybody with flat feet overpronates.
also, the arahi 1 was not softer than newer arahis. every arahi version has had the same midsole...just the uppers have changed. but yes, the gaviota is softer and more stable, and has a much higher arch profile and a more noticeable rocker. and heavier of course.
The Nike react infinity has a cushioned , yet not squishy ride . Nike has nailed the various foam technologies. Billie won 3 Grammys.
I like the Arahi 4 quite a bit - stable, light for its class, and well cushioned without being too soft. Yes, it’s firmer than the Clifton, but you could say that about almost every shoe because the Clifton is ridiculously soft.