Goucher: I didn't go to Rio because Shalane and Amy wore VFs (which is the same as EPO)

One of the greatest gifts the Vaporflys gave us.

Kara also had a BIG dis advantage with the cheap clothing she was wearing . Really poor fabric technologies causing over heating and dehydration . Had more effect than the shoe.

waaaaaaaaah wrote:

Could she be any more of a sore loser?

But is she wrong? In 2016, what were the men who finished less than 2 mins behind Rupp wearing? What are the chances that shoes were the difference?

But like in any sport it is up to the athlete to adapt. Complaining that technique that worked in the past no longer do isn't productive.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

But is she wrong?

Yeah, bro. She's wrong.

She's not wrong that she lost or that the other three qualifiers were clearly better; she's wrong that the shoes were the difference.

She's like some poor Dude Bro who cries that they lost at Madden because their controller wasn't working.

Come on, brah.

That is not what Goucher said. OP is intellectually dishonest because the truth isn't as easy to attack:

"There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field- I mean the research proves that. "

lazy OP DEVASTATED wrote:

That is not what Goucher said. OP is intellectually dishonest because the truth isn't as easy to attack:

"There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field- I mean the research proves that. "

So swallow your pride and wear next%. Not the other athletes fault that her company makes bad shoes.

She also said Doc Brown had ethical issues , except when she used him , he was a legit Dr.

Cuckoldistan wrote:

lazy OP DEVASTATED wrote:

That is not what Goucher said. OP is intellectually dishonest because the truth isn't as easy to attack:

"There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field- I mean the research proves that. "

So swallow your pride and wear next%. Not the other athletes fault that her company makes bad shoes.

Irrelevant to the OP lying.

Cuckoldistan wrote:

lazy OP DEVASTATED wrote:

That is not what Goucher said. OP is intellectually dishonest because the truth isn't as easy to attack:

"There is no way to know that the shoes kept me out of the Olympics, but I do feel like it wasn’t a level playing field- I mean the research proves that. "

So swallow your pride and wear next%. Not the other athletes fault that her company makes bad shoes.

What are you talking about? The shoe was not available to anyone. IT WAS NOT FOR SALE. No one even knew what it was. The fact that it was not available to theta meant that it was illegal. Amy and Shalane cheated. Did it make a difference? No one knows. But it was illegal.

There is irrational hate of Goucher on this message board. While it might come off as making excuses, she did it diplomatically, and....she is not wrong.

These shoes have been documented to make a substantial difference in performance, I don't think there is debate about that. If the race was run with everyone in traditional racing flats, who knows what the result would be?

If Kara wants to start the discussion about how the shoe effects todays athlete that's fine . She choses to focus on her sorry self with a shoe that is no longer being made 2016 . Sore loser . Misses attention . She wasn't concerned with a level playing field when she had the Nike campus, alterG's , Nike physio et. at her disposal .

lazy OP DEVASTATED wrote:

Cuckoldistan wrote:

So swallow your pride and wear next%. Not the other athletes fault that her company makes bad shoes.

Irrelevant to the OP lying.

Come on.. you don't do this interview if it's not exactly what you mean.

Black Market Bob wrote:

She also said Doc Brown had ethical issues , except when she used him , he was a legit Dr.

Desi wasn't wearing the shoes. Shalane was staggering home, shoes weren't that big a help. So her beef should be with Amy wearing them. And I'd agree that Amy has run times that she would never have imagined without the shoes.

Hey Kara,

Perhaps had you run faster PRIOR TO THE VAPORFLYS you would have been re-signed by Nike or had another better sponsor.

marginally annoyed wrote:

Cuckoldistan wrote:

So swallow your pride and wear next%. Not the other athletes fault that her company makes bad shoes.

What are you talking about? The shoe was not available to anyone. IT WAS NOT FOR SALE. No one even knew what it was. The fact that it was not available to theta meant that it was illegal. Amy and Shalane cheated. Did it make a difference? No one knows. But it was illegal.

It was definitely unfair as they ran in prototypes that we now know gives a substantial advantage. I don't like Kara and Shalane was a better athlete for sure. The strategy for the race would have been different had they been wearing the standard streaks, especially seeing how badly Shalane faded in that race. The athletes were certainly made aware of the benefits of the shoes. At mile 21 that had a lead of over a minute, I don't know that they would have dominated the race like that otherwise. Looking back at the LR write up it's crazy to see how much better the American women are right now. I don't think the shoes affected the outcome back then but this time around it has a good chance to. And remember, all three men on the Olympic podium wore the shoes and the rest of the nike athletes wore streaks. That was definitely unfair. It's hard to tell in photos because most of them are low quality when the pack is large and they had the same color in both streaks and vaporfly.

i gotta agree with Kara and rojo on this one.

certain select athletes were definitely given an unfair advantage.

Way to throw Sketchers under the bus.

I don’t like it when athletes compare the VFs to PEDs. I’ve been for a VF ban since they came out, but, at the same time, I think that comparing shoes to EPO kind of cheapens the issue of doping, just IMHO.