SORRY! Not buying the cheaterfly hype

I know - and what did a pair of standard trainers weight in 2002? Like 12 oz? ND had been Adidas going way back - some of those Supernovas and Ozwegos and stuff were pretty beefy shoes.

But he for sure would have been 13:40 in VFs

Hard to argue with science, but your whole thing about swords and samurais is pretty compelling.

What are your thoughts about string theory? Any anecdotes that include weapons or warriors?

A samurai with a better sword is superior to a samurai with an inferior sword.

I Agree.

The interesting part is so many people are

Training super hard and Run their first or 2nd marathon and give the shoes all the credit. If you have run 6-8 solid marathons in good weather and great fitness you are not PRing Massively because of these shoes.. I went from 3:20

to sub 2:30 “without” the shoes, and I take all the credit. The shoes helped knock off about 60 seconds now that I’m under 2:30, but again my fitness is still improving so I’m not ready to give them that much of the credit. I honestly feel bad for people who really think the shoes are helping them that much.

It’s not the sword it’s the samurai.

Sure. That's also the reason why samurai didn't use samurai katana made of 16 times folded tamahagane steel but wooden muckrakes.

sameguydiffereny shoe wrote:

I Agree.

The interesting part is so many people are

Training super hard and Run their first or 2nd marathon and give the shoes all the credit. If you have run 6-8 solid marathons in good weather and great fitness you are not PRing Massively because of these shoes.. I went from 3:20

to sub 2:30 “without” the shoes, and I take all the credit. The shoes helped knock off about 60 seconds now that I’m under 2:30, but again my fitness is still improving so I’m not ready to give them that much of the credit. I honestly feel bad for people who really think the shoes are helping them that much.

Nobody who is running in these shoes wants to give them all the credit for their improvements. Like you, they all want to acknowledge that the shoes help some without conceding that they help a lot. You have no idea how much the shoes have helped you or help others. In the meantime, I'll trust the research on energy return; the recent history of annual sub-2:10 runners and of U.S. Olympic-trials qualifiers; and the anecdotes of people like you who know that the shoes are a big part of their success (even if you don't want to say so). Together, research, statistics/history, and anecdote combine to tell a pretty compelling story to anybody willing to pay attention.

Jimmy "Dumb@ss" Snuka wrote:

https://www.wired.com/story/do-nikes-new-marathon-shoes-make-you-faster-a-nike-funded-study-says-yes/

Hard to argue with science, but your whole thing about swords and samurais is pretty compelling.

What are your thoughts about string theory? Any anecdotes that include weapons or warriors?

Jacky Laughs Jr wrote:

Jimmy "Dumb@ss" Snuka wrote:https://www.wired.com/story/do-nikes-new-marathon-shoes-make-you-faster-a-nike-funded-study-says-yes/Hard to argue with science, but your whole thing about swords and samurais is pretty compelling. What are your thoughts about string theory? Any anecdotes that include weapons or warriors?

We will always have 2 points of view on a single topic . chew on this ...Guy walks into a doctors office and he has a duck ? on his head ??‍♂️.The doctors say " what your problem ? "The Duck ? says " I have a human stuck to my ass " .

Exactly two US-born marathoners have broken 2:10 since these shoes were introduced, and not on a record-eligible course. Did Ryan Hall have these shoes? Did Rupp, even? How about Bob Kempainen?

If any shoe gave a 4%, or even 1% advantage, elites would already be wearing them in distance track events instead of spikes.

People have worn them on the track... lol they’re also integrating the same technology into spikes, look what the pros wore at worlds summer 2019