Does anyone TRAIN in shoes like nike LT 4 etc??

Yeah I feel ya there, I wear trainers a lot too. But I enjoy wearing flats and just running light.

I also do 2-3 workouts a week so I wear them those days

LT-ina lover wrote:

I love running in the LT4. My stride feels so clean and unencumbered. Running in trainers feels so clumsy and like it’s changing my gait for the worse, in an injurious manner.

Does anyone train all the time in flats like the LT4 or similar?

Not just workouts, but the bulk of miles?

My only fear is getting metatarsal stress fractures from the thin padding.

I hope the darn cheaterfly phenomenon does not stop companies from making “normal” flats.

So clue me in, anyone train full time in light flats? I feel so good in flats, and so bad in trainers, I’m thinking why not feel good every day?

Foam is getting lighter all the time. I wear lightweight trainers like Kinvara for everything. Not exactly flats. Definitely not bulky or changing your stride.

I think a lot of people do this.

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I must reply it’s not just about foam lightness. I bought the Skechers razor 3 because of the rave reviews—light AND cushioned. They felt terrible to me—the wobble at impact due to the mushy foam made my knees and hips hurt.

I have found that for my body, trainers put the injury risk on the knees and hips.

Flats put the injury risk on the feet.

Running in LT4 my knees and hips feel great. Hopefully they don’t break my feet.

Anyone else with experience to share?

2010 has come and gone buddy.

Zante wrote:

2010 has come and gone buddy.

Explain please.

i do 80% of mileage in adidas takumi sen or adios

LT-ina lover wrote:

I love running in the LT4. My stride feels so clean and unencumbered. Running in trainers feels so clumsy and like it’s changing my gait for the worse, in an injurious manner.

Does anyone train all the time in flats like the LT4 or similar?

Not just workouts, but the bulk of miles?

My only fear is getting metatarsal stress fractures from the thin padding.

I hope the darn cheaterfly phenomenon does not stop companies from making “normal” flats.

So clue me in, anyone train full time in light flats? I feel so good in flats, and so bad in trainers, I’m thinking why not feel good every day?

I do 70miles/week in nike zoom fly

It depends on the runner. I tend to develop hip pain when running in very cushioned trainers (Wave Rider, Supernova, etc.), pain that went away switching to lower and firmer (=more stable) shoes (Kinvara, Boston, 890v6, etc.).

It may be due to lack of fitness. When I was at my fittest, a couple of years ago, I did the bulk of my mileage in regular trainers without issue. I'm not as strong now, which may be the reason why I need a more stable shoe underneath me.

LT-ina lover wrote:

Zante wrote:

2010 has come and gone buddy.

Explain please.

Born to run

LT-ina lover wrote:

I love running in the LT4. My stride feels so clean and unencumbered. Running in trainers feels so clumsy and like it’s changing my gait for the worse, in an injurious manner.

Does anyone train all the time in flats like the LT4 or similar?

Not just workouts, but the bulk of miles?

My only fear is getting metatarsal stress fractures from the thin padding.

I hope the darn cheaterfly phenomenon does not stop companies from making “normal” flats.

So clue me in, anyone train full time in light flats? I feel so good in flats, and so bad in trainers, I’m thinking why not feel good every day?

Yes, I do 100% of my mileage (about 90 mpw, mostly on concrete) in the Streak LT or another flat. I haven't had any stress fractures, but the ball of my foot gets sore when the foam gets compressed (typically ~350-400 miles).

I tried light trainers like the Kinvara and they were fine, but I didn't like how mushy they feel.

eurorunner4 wrote:

LT-ina lover wrote:

I love running in the LT4. My stride feels so clean and unencumbered. Running in trainers feels so clumsy and like it’s changing my gait for the worse, in an injurious manner.

Does anyone train all the time in flats like the LT4 or similar?

Not just workouts, but the bulk of miles?

My only fear is getting metatarsal stress fractures from the thin padding.

I hope the darn cheaterfly phenomenon does not stop companies from making “normal” flats.

So clue me in, anyone train full time in light flats? I feel so good in flats, and so bad in trainers, I’m thinking why not feel good every day?

I do 70miles/week in nike zoom fly

Thank you; while the zoom fly is marketed as a racing shoe, it has a huge mushy stack height of 36mm. Not the type of flat I am talking about, such as the LT4.

any other flat trainers out there? Let us hear your story please

LT-ina lover wrote:

any other flat trainers out there? Let us hear your story please

I do all my training in streak lts with rare exceptions for trail runs (done in the streak 7, which I don't like, but the lt is too thin for trails). I race in the shoe as well, up to the marathon. You don't need to go as minimal as the streak lt, but I encourage everyone to train in flats. Trainers just feel so unnatural and mess with your stride.

Fearing foot pain in a marathon, I tried transitioning to nb 1400s or nike streak 6s for a while, but both of those shoes just have too high a drop and too much room in the forefoot for me. Most shoes are too loose in the heel for me, unlike the streak xc-lt (had multiple pairs of every one since the og streak xc).

I tried low drop japanese flats as well, but every model I've come across has to much room in the forefoot and is too low to the ground in the heel. Mizuno's japanese flats seem to work ok for me, but not as well as the streak lt, so why bother with them.

I used to train in the brooks t3-t5 until they went to high drop flats as well. For a while I trained and raced in the adizero rocket, which was the best shoe every made. I wish a company would make a shoe that fits like a glove like the streak lt, but with continental rubber in the forefoot.

The only downside to the streak lt is that the uppers are extremely poorly made and always rip within a month to two on the latest models. On the streak lt 2 and below I could get well over 500 miles out of a pair. On the newest models, the sole is rarely worn down before the upper has a hole in it or the side blown out.

Anywho, I saw a prototype for a new 10k/half marathon racing flat nike is making that I hope fixes the shoddy upper problem. Ideally it would have a little more cushioning in the forefoot with no more than another mm or two drop. Until then I hope the streak lt line continues to 5 and beyond.

OP, sadly I think that with the run away success of the vaporfly, within a couple years every flat will be high drop like that and people like you and me will be left out in the cold since we represent such a small part of the market share. We're already starting to see this as even low drop shoes like skechers go meb speed, and saucony's endorphin are becoming cushier and more and more companies don't make a flat with a below 8 mm drop at all.

This was long ago, but I trained for years in the Nike Elite Classic, and raced in the Nike Air Mariah. Trainers just didn't cut it, they were too bulky, and messed with my stride.

I was troubled by racing in a fatter shoe than my trainers, but I guess I saw the future.

Kvothe wrote:

[quote]LT-ina lover For a while I trained and raced in the adizero rocket, which was the best shoe every made. I wish a company would make a shoe that fits like a glove like the streak lt, but with continental rubber in the forefoot.

Ha, the rocket is basically the same shoe as the adidas adizero pro--my favorite shoe ever. I'm the OP who started the thread "Bring back the adizero pro" and the Adidas product guy actually responded a bunch.

The takumi sen is basically the same shoe, but I wear a size 13 in the adizero pro and the takumi is so much smaller it doesn't fit and they don't make a 14. DANG IT!

I sure hope we are not correct and light, flat, "real" flats go extinct in favor of clown shoes.

Anyone have other flats besides LT4 they like? Preferably with low arch height.

I’m trying to compile a list of good options so I can stockpile a bunch before cheaterfly moon boots take over.

Bumping for any more input from folks who train in flats, and any more suggestions on good flats for this purpose. thanks

I love the LT4s (except they are not very durable). I only do about 25-30 mpw these days, but ran in them when I was doing twice that. As you say, they just make you feel fast.

Streak 7s are almost as light with a little more cushion, so maybe alternate.