higheraltitudes wrote:
For all the posters scared of the wind, you've obviously not lived at >= 7000 feet for any good length of time. if you did, you'd know it gets windy at these elevations (even at Flagstaff). There's no free lunch at higher altitudes at these latitudes.
Big Bear is at 7000ft and doesn't get very windy.
Why is Big Bear not on the table? It's at 7000 ft with tons of great trails, mild winters and only a 50-min drive to 1000ft elevation all-weather tracks.
I have been to a lot of place but not Laramie wrote:
[quote]Classic letsrun wrote:
It's so bizarre when people make these impassioned responses, and HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN THERE. Wtf is wrong with you?
You don't have to have been everywhere to make good guesses.
Just look at the map or go on google street view in Laramie.
They still have dirt roads there. It's a cow town on the edge of the prairie.
Duh.
"You have to pass it to know what's in it."
-Nancy MF Pelosi, Democrat extraordinaire
The Houli-Haas Under Armour Group is reportedly moving to Laramie to beta test this great LRC concept. We will await the results of the experiment next June when we see who they put on the US Olympic team.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
How many medals for the PED-fueled Moroccan? And yes, there's a cloud over Rupp but he didn't go full EPO like KK.
KK did was not coached by a banned coach. Rupp has been since he was "discovered" by a, now banned, coach.
The point is Rupp has medals and didn't need to be based in a cold, altitude town to get there. Khannouchi, Deena, and Meb wouldn't have been any better in Wyoming, either.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
The point is Rupp has medals ....
Medals thanks to doping.
Evan Jogger wrote:
Our best marathoner in a generation lives and mostly trains in Portland, OR. .
In an altitude house.
Voted with your feet wrote:
jamin wrote:
By Trumpy do you mean pro-small business, individual liberty, and lowest minority unemployment of all time?
Sounds good to me.
It doesn't sound good to you. As a matter of fact, you've already voted with your feet as to where you would prefer to work and live. It's the polar opposite of Laramie. You prefer Seattle.
He lives there because he heard liberal chicks were easy...hahahah
blamb61 wrote:
Cedar City Ut , home of SUU. Cam Levins and Jess Baumgartner did well there.
from the SUU coach Eric Houle in an old Runner's world article:
Oh, yeah, we’re at 5,700 feet. The beauty of this place is: the track sits at 5,700 feet, I can get them in vans and drive up the canyon 30 minutes and they can be as high as 10,000 feet, or I can go south of Cedar City and they’re at 2,000 feet. To me, it’s one of the best kept secrets in terms of the availability of different altitudes in reach. It’s pretty sweet.
And when it snows here — like we have a big snow storm hitting us right now — we can’t get that track cleared. We don’t have an indoor facility so workouts are incredibly important and if I can’t make adjustments in the power runs then we’ll gather everyone and head down to St. George (about an hour southwest near the Utah-Arizona border) and do a workout. If it’s 30 degrees here, it’s 55 degrees there.
Infinite flat dirt roads away from the mountains. Rolling hills to the east and further to the west. High mountains to the east. Can be windy and doesn't have indoor track. College town and next to Zion's National Park and Brighton Ski Resort. Close to St George, and Las Vegas.
Huh???? Brighton Ski Resort is 4 hours from Cedar City...Zion is over an hour. Exaggerate much?
bunecarlos wrote:
higheraltitudes wrote:
For all the posters scared of the wind, you've obviously not lived at >= 7000 feet for any good length of time. if you did, you'd know it gets windy at these elevations (even at Flagstaff). There's no free lunch at higher altitudes at these latitudes.
Big Bear is at 7000ft and doesn't get very windy.
Why is Big Bear not on the table? It's at 7000 ft with tons of great trails, mild winters and only a 50-min drive to 1000ft elevation all-weather tracks.
Isn't Big Bear a resort town as well?
Didn't Ryan Hall live there?
I can speak to training in Cedar City. It's growing, but still pretty small compared to cities like Flagstaff or Boulder. The amenities are decent if your main focus is training and living frugally. Food is pretty affordable and you can find rent that isn't outrageous. There are dirt roads, a solid trail system, the university track, two gyms (not including those on campus), and you can drop down to Saint George/Mesquite or go up to the Kolob Roard or Brian Head area. The ability to drop down in elevation is comparable to Flagstaff and Sedona. I've enjoyed living and training in Cedar for the most part. It's definitely very windy and can be pretty bitterly cold, but it's also callousing. If you're looking for an engaging social scene, it might not be ideal, but to hunker down and train, I think it's a solid spot.
One potential downside is accessibility to a major airport. If you don't plan to fly directly from Cedar City, you need to drive to either Vegas or Salt Lake.
I lived and ran in Laramie for 6y (1995-2000), occasionally running with the UW team (Joe Hall and Ryan Bolton were NCAA XC qualifiers then, and Bolton later made the USA Olympic Triathlon team). While Laramie is a great place for summer and fall training, with miles and miles of trails in every direction, the winters can be brutal. Blinding snow storms and persistent winds are really tough to train through. The air temperature is actually reasonable (35-45 daily), and the almost daily sunshine make it quite nice occasionally, but not enough to make up for the rough winter days that would impede any high level runner. Also, there is only a small indoor track available (the university has since replaced their dirt track, which was nice, but not ideal for high level training). The running community back then was small, pretty much limited to the UWYO team and a very few other local runners. Ft. Collins is close enough (~60 minutes) for lower altitude speed work, and usually much better weather, especially in winter, but sometimes you can't get out of Laramie because of the snow. Overall, I actually loved running in Laramie, and still stop there on vacations for the mountain running, but the town has a stunted economy outside the university, and is conservative in many ways (I was also there during the Matthew Shepard killing, and in another sad turn of events, I knew most of the guys who died in the tragic van accident immediately post-911).
that feeling when nobody in the thread mentions Albuquerque
lmao
I lived in Laramie for just over 2 years while my wife went to graduate school at UW. The economy outside of the U is indeed quite poor. The campus and downtown area are nice but outside of that, it's not. Running in the nearby mountains and recreation areas was great from June-September but otherwise was very snowy and windy. There are less people than Flag and other high altitude meccas but there are also less roads and fewer places to run. There is a reason that most people spend their outdoor time alpine and/or nordic skiing in the winter. Not many people run throughout the winter there. I now live in SD where people think that it's windy but it's not nearly as windy as Laramie was. I didn't mind living there but it's not a place to go for elite level running.
Boulder bro
I saw a bear once wrote:
bunecarlos wrote:
Big Bear is at 7000ft and doesn't get very windy.
Why is Big Bear not on the table? It's at 7000 ft with tons of great trails, mild winters and only a 50-min drive to 1000ft elevation all-weather tracks.
Isn't Big Bear a resort town as well?
Didn't Ryan Hall live there?
Big Bear is indeed a resort town, but outside of vacationers and big holiday homes, the town is quite poor. The locals all live on the east side of that valley and vacationers never see that. But the area around Big Bear Lake is lovely. Btw, Ryan Hall grew up there but hasn't lived there in years.
well thanks like your opinion man
Flagstaff is definitely oversaturated. With vagrants and hippies. Such a trashy town. And it's always windy. Laramie is an upgrade.
jamin wrote:
not so bad wrote:
Laramie is actually seemed like a cool little town when I stopped by in the summer. I'm not going to speak for the winter though. It does seem rather Trumpy for a college town, and very Trumpy once you get outside of town.....but I could see spending a few months there in the summer.
By Trumpy do you mean pro-small business, individual liberty, and lowest minority unemployment of all time?
Sounds good to me.
I mean handing out KKK and anti-gay leaflets, being scared of immigrants and beating a gay student to death. Trumpy like that.