It's on: Saruni vs Brazier Rematch with Hoppel at 2020 Millrose 800

Cool maybe I'll be there

Is this the same Johnny Gray that runs ultras?

Ddddd wrote:

Is this the same Johnny Gray that runs ultras?

There's a Joseph Gray who runs the shorter distance mountain races. Is that who you are thinking of?

dkkdkd wrote:

Ddddd wrote:

Is this the same Johnny Gray that runs ultras?

There's a Joseph Gray who runs the shorter distance mountain races. Is that who you are thinking of?

If he is the one that has multiple records on those mountain races, then yes, that's who I'm thinking of. My bad!

Ddddd wrote:

Is this the same Johnny Gray that runs ultras?

Yes, that's the one. Excellent range.

Saruni was basically a no show in outdoors; and his former teammate, Korir, a huge disappointment. I'm assuming they left the tutelage of their utep coach (Ereng)?

Quite a pity wrote:

Saruni was basically a no show in outdoors; and his former teammate, Korir, a huge disappointment. I'm assuming they left the tutelage of their utep coach (Ereng)?

Korir made the 400 m final.

Gjtgh wrote:

Quite a pity wrote:

Saruni was basically a no show in outdoors; and his former teammate, Korir, a huge disappointment. I'm assuming they left the tutelage of their utep coach (Ereng)?

Korir made the 400 m final.

For a 44.21 man that just does the 400m as an afterthought, 44.9 in a final is pretty poor. Couple that with not even advancing from the semi-final in his 800m specialty, and I'll reaffirm my initial statement of disappointment.

Indoors is such a waste of time. I don't know why Saruni keeps running this.

El Keniano wrote:

Indoors is such a waste of time. I don't know why Saruni keeps running this.

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I think that you're right about indoors and Saruni needs to realize that it is difficult to get athletes to peak twice a year, so that he should focus on the outdoor campaign when it counts. It only helps Brazier to have Saruni and Korir miss their peaks outdoors, of course.

Didn't hurt Brazier peaking twice last year., nor did it hurt Kipketer in 1997 when he ran 1:43.96 WR and 1:42.67 indoors WR and then 1:41.11 WR later in the year.

Both won WC's that year as well. Peaking twice might be the right way to approach the 800?

1:43.96i WR PB 1h5 WC Paris 7 Mar

1:48.49i 1s3 WC Paris 7 Mar

1:42.67i WR PB (1) 1 WC Paris 9 Mar

1:43.54 SB 1 GGala Roma 5 Jun

1:44.86 1 Kuso Sopot 14 Jun

1:44.03 1 Gaz Paris 25 Jun

1:42.61 SB 1 Athletissima Lausanne 2 Jul

1:41.73 WR PB 1 DNG Stockholm 7 Jul

1:45.54 1q4 WC Athína 5 Aug

1:43.38 1 WC Athína 8 Aug

1:41.24 WR PB 1 WK Zürich 13 Aug

1:42.77 1 Herc Monaco 16 Aug

1:42.20 1 VD Bruxelles 22 Aug

1:41.11 AR WR PB (1) 1 ASV Köln 24 Aug

1:42.98 1 GPF Fukuoka 13 Sep

JRinaldi wrote:

Didn't hurt Brazier peaking twice last year., nor did it hurt Kipketer in 1997 when he ran 1:43.96 WR and 1:42.67 indoors WR and then 1:41.11 WR later in the year.

Both won WC's that year as well. Peaking twice might be the right way to approach the 800?

1:43.96i WR PB 1h5 WC Paris 7 Mar

1:48.49i 1s3 WC Paris 7 Mar

1:42.67i WR PB (1) 1 WC Paris 9 Mar

1:43.54 SB 1 GGala Roma 5 Jun

1:44.86 1 Kuso Sopot 14 Jun

1:44.03 1 Gaz Paris 25 Jun

1:42.61 SB 1 Athletissima Lausanne 2 Jul

1:41.73 WR PB 1 DNG Stockholm 7 Jul

1:45.54 1q4 WC Athína 5 Aug

1:43.38 1 WC Athína 8 Aug

1:41.24 WR PB 1 WK Zürich 13 Aug

1:42.77 1 Herc Monaco 16 Aug

1:42.20 1 VD Bruxelles 22 Aug

1:41.11 AR WR PB (1) 1 ASV Köln 24 Aug

1:42.98 1 GPF Fukuoka 13 Sep

Spot on, planning for multiple peak performance periods is no more difficult than a singular "peak", granted the coach actually understands very basic periodization. Coaches who favor a singular periodization model tend to be more poorly informed /educated from my experience.

The 800m, an event in which many different energy systems are involved may even been better suited to multiple peaks as an indoor/early season competitive period may serve as a diagnostic assessment for any deficiencies in training. For Brazier, running a few good indoor competitions with a mixture distances 600m-800m seemed to suit him very well last year.

The concept that the most efficient means of training is to allocate an entire year building towards one giant "peak" is horribly ignorant with the amount of information available to today's coaches.

Quite a pity wrote:

Gjtgh wrote:

Korir made the 400 m final.

For a 44.21 man that just does the 400m as an afterthought, 44.9 in a final is pretty poor. Couple that with not even advancing from the semi-final in his 800m specialty, and I'll reaffirm my initial statement of disappointment.

And dick of the day goes to......

I don’t see you making worlds in the 800 OR the 400, let alone a final of either. Did you forget Korir was involved in a car crash that messed him up? Oh wait..... you were probably too busy worrying about carbon fiber plated shoes.