NIKE’s ultimate irony—the cheaterflys destroyed RUPP’s career!

Hasay also had a foot injury. She was seen training in IG often in VFs. I think the shoes may cause injury for some runners depending on their mechanics.

That is some truly dark humor.

Look at filip ingebrigsten in slo mo in the VF, ankle really rolls inward as the mushy shoe deforms, recipe for Achilles injury:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6DafA2FHCF/?igshid=b0spdgvmw74p

I don't really see the element you are referencing. There should be a natural roll inward towards toe off. I do see instability in the left at landing, but would need to see him run in other shoes to compare.

Moo Goo wrote:

Hasay also had a foot injury. She was seen training in IG often in VFs. I think the shoes may cause injury for some runners depending on their mechanics.

Don’t forget about Jorgensen ..lame since wearing the cheaters

This is a warning to all hobby joggers: cheating comes with a price much greater than $250!

Mill problem guy wrote:

Look at filip ingebrigsten in slo mo in the VF, ankle really rolls inward as the mushy shoe deforms, recipe for Achilles injury:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6DafA2FHCF/?igshid=b0spdgvmw74p

Are they really training all the time in those shoes I wonder, or just for social media to keep NIKE happy?

Considering the fact that many people claim they feel less beat up after wearing those shoes, I would be convinced to wear them for all my hard workouts - if money were no burden.

Cho chaang wrote:

In the ultimate irony, the vaporfly designs, with their ridiculous stack heights and mushy foam, caused the previous bulletproof Rupp to develop a career ruining Achilles injury.

I noted, watching both Kipchoge and Berkeley in these monstrosities, that it causes the heel to torque inward and the toes to point outward upon toe off.

A runner with beautiful form like Rupp who needs just a neutral shoe and was always healthy was crippled by these unstable gimmicks.

A tragedy for Rupp, and a joke on our sport.

Lol this is BS and his Achilees problems started long before introduction of VF.

Btw I have ran all my runs in VF4% since July (about 1500 miles now) when I injured my left foot and acquired Mortons neuroma. VF was the only shoe I could train through my injury not lowering mileage. In all other shoes I could not run without pain even for 5-10 minutes when VF carbon plate reduced the toe bending preventing the re-injuring the site. Since then I have ditched all other shoes and train in VF only. I haven't felt no problems with Achilles.

Ssssss wrote:

Considering the fact that many people claim they feel less beat up after wearing those shoes, I would be convinced to wear them for all my hard workouts - if money were no burden.

You do feel less beat up in them, but it also weakens the legs because you aren't doing as much work. Better to train in other shoes the majority of the time for injury prevention, then do some of the more taxing sessions in VFs.

Cho chaang wrote:

In the ultimate irony, the vaporfly designs, with their ridiculous stack heights and mushy foam, caused the previous bulletproof Rupp to develop a career ruining Achilles injury.

I noted, watching both Kipchoge and Berkeley in these monstrosities, that it causes the heel to torque inward and the toes to point outward upon toe off.

A runner with beautiful form like Rupp who needs just a neutral shoe and was always healthy was crippled by these unstable gimmicks.

A tragedy for Rupp, and a joke on our sport.

Where's the article of Rupp stating this himself?

epicTCK wrote:

Ssssss wrote:

Considering the fact that many people claim they feel less beat up after wearing those shoes, I would be convinced to wear them for all my hard workouts - if money were no burden.

You do feel less beat up in them, but it also weakens the legs because you aren't doing as much work. Better to train in other shoes the majority of the time for injury prevention, then do some of the more taxing sessions in VFs.

This is a crooked view on training. If you want to strengthen your legs, you do hills, strength training and weights not just hammer your legs on easy runs. Otherwise why would you wear shoes at all? Why just not go barefoot on easy runs to strengthen your leg muscles?

As I already mentioned above the last 6 months since I am doing all my runs in VF4% have been the best months from training perspective since I started running 10 years ago. I haven't skipped a day of training, my legs are much less beat up and I have increased both volume and quality.

That's exactly what an overpronator or someone with a flatter foot looks like in any neutral shoe. Due to the softness and stack height, it's a bit exacerbated. Over half the runners that wear that shoe would do the same.

Yes, it would torque the achilles more.

Rupp has trained his entire life in the Structure, a stability shoe.

It probably played a part but was a long time coming and was brought along only now from the marathon training volume.

VFs aren't the only things that weaken the legs. And now to the late, great Burgess Meredith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7f3Myw8a_0

All due respects to Norm Macdonald.

Nike does not care about Rupp or Hasay. Another young runner will come along that they can use.

I really have a hard time believing wearing this shoe on race day only presents any significant health risk. I've run my marathons in Type A's and my legs come out beat to hell. Can't imagine the form changes caused by this shoe for 50-75 miles a year matter in the long run.

nv4 wrote:

Lol this is BS and his Achilees problems started long before introduction of VF.

Btw I have ran all my runs in VF4% since July (about 1500 miles now) when I injured my left foot and acquired Mortons neuroma. VF was the only shoe I could train through my injury not lowering mileage. In all other shoes I could not run without pain even for 5-10 minutes when VF carbon plate reduced the toe bending preventing the re-injuring the site. Since then I have ditched all other shoes and train in VF only. I haven't felt no problems with Achilles.

How many miles do you get out of them for training? Have you tried anything else stiff (that’s what she said) like a Hoka Carbon X, which is a little cheaper.

The Filip Ingebrigtsen video shows huge compression in the shoes--presumably the spring effect follows from that--inner torsion as you say--and a hesitation at the end of his forward leg movement that slows him down>he extends out and then pauses and brings his foot back before ground contact. If he made that movement more efficient, he would run 3:29.

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nv4 wrote:

Btw I have ran all my runs in VF4% since July (about 1500 miles now) when I injured my left foot and acquired Mortons neuroma. VF was the only shoe I could train through my injury not lowering mileage. In all other shoes I could not run without pain even for 5-10 minutes when VF carbon plate reduced the toe bending preventing the re-injuring the site. Since then I have ditched all other shoes and train in VF only. I haven't felt no problems with Achilles.

How many miles do you get out of them for training? Have you tried anything else stiff (that’s what she said) like a Hoka Carbon X, which is a little cheaper.

I am still on my first pair of VF4% and they hold together good. It's been 6 months on day in, day out training and 1500+ miles now. They have lost some of that pop feel but still offer lots of cushioning. They look much better visually than my previous Asics after about the same mileage