Who is the better pro/Olympic prospect? Nico Young or Katelyn Tuohy? I think you've gotta say the answer is....

German Fernandez and Mary Cain.

It continues to surprise me how Nico Young can look like he's all-out sprinting at 4:40 pace, then finish the race and look fine while other guys form look so relaxed but they just can't keep up and collapse at the finish line. The altitude trip the team over the summer did wonders. I hope he goes to NAU because he is an altitude super-responder.

How about we revisit this thread in 5 years.

Look at the history of High School NXN. How many of these "can't miss" champions have gone to the Olympics? Without doing in-depth research, maybe 3 total out of 30 (15 years of boys and girls)? A few pretty good pro careers in there, no doubt.

If this were a rock concert they'd be saying Ewert stole the show.

And came in second.

Tuohy accomoplishes no one else has ever done, and as a parting gift is told she is over the hill. LOLLL. Tough crowd.

Jgt11 wrote:

It continues to surprise me how Nico Young can look like he's all-out sprinting at 4:40 pace, then finish the race and look fine while other guys form look so relaxed but they just can't keep up and collapse at the finish line. The altitude trip the team over the summer did wonders. I hope he goes to NAU because he is an altitude super-responder.

If there is a significant benifit to an altitude trip over the summer, its gone after a couple of weeks. His talent did wonders.

astro wrote:

And came in second.

You missed the point. See previous post, and premise of this thread--let's see where they'll be in 5 years. And it's also very likely that someone who didn't make it past NXR or Footlocker will surpass them all.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

How about we revisit this thread in 5 years.

Done and done.

Taylor Ewert. This kid is a coach's dream:

https://nxn.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=13&do=videos&video_id=286987

Rojo, act like you've been there before.

There have been dozens upon dozens of high school studs over the decades who never made the next step up. This years crop won't be any different. Some will step up. Most won't. Which ones will make it is unknown, and quite frankly, not even worth speculating about.

Why not simply live in the moment and appreciate the excellence in front of you today? It's easy.

Speed ratings? Ugh.

lilli wrote:

15, 16, 17 year olds are not women, they are girls. Secondly, Tuohy looks like she has gained a bunch of weight and muscle past 4 months. She obviously doesn't run well in cold and rainy weather. She is 1st or 2nd GOAT of all time with Cain. Look-Claudia Lane and Brie Oakley totally burned out. And Sarah Baxter at Oregon was a MAJOR failure like Amber Trotter- probably the biggest flop of all time. Tuohy and her coach never should have announced she wanted to do 2020 Olympic trials. Like most girls, Tuohy peaked her sophomore year in track. Shes much slower this year. She had a GOAT XC season last year, and shes peaked out. A phenomenal 3 NXNs will never be matched.

Maybe in America, where boys and girls stay kids forever... but in much of the rest of the world, they take on adult responsibilities by that age. You people like to infantilize your younger men and women. Look back at turn-of-the-century America and remember your history.

Actually logic would say that Tuohy has had the more dominant career

And that if she sticks with it and keeps working hard that she'll survive the natural cycles that all women Runners face and pull through like a champ

If she sticks with it she can be an awesome 5000 10000 meter Runner & Beyond. I think the 10K will be her sweet spot in 5 years

Yeah but I'm going with the person who has set a course record on every course they have ever run. And have utterly dominated their sport for three straight years

astro wrote:

Tuohy accomoplishes no one else has ever done, and as a parting gift is told she is over the hill. LOLLL. Tough crowd.

How true. Maybe she should tell people to f off and run for enjoyment for a year and then decide what she wants to do.

Yeah, this is just reality for female runners. The crucial issue is having the mental strength to deal with the almost inevitable plateau that happens around this time. Lauren Fleshman's advice on this point is spot on.

rojo wrote:

Young.

Hats off to Tuohy. She just 3 peated and did it in amazing fashion. Had two women run her down and pull just about even with 200_meeters to go but she found a way to hold them off.

But logic says Young has to be considered the bigger prospect.

1) Young nearly 15 seconds better than the next best US HSer right now.

2) Tuohy had 2 other girls right behind her within 1 second.

3) Tuohy isn't as a good as she was last year according to the Tully speed ratings. Her best mark this year would have been her #6 from last year.

When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect.

Rojo

PS. Please remember you are talking about real human beings in this thread.

this post & this website suck.

rojo wrote:

Young.

Hats off to Tuohy. She just 3 peated and did it in amazing fashion. Had two women run her down and pull just about even with 200_meeters to go but she found a way to hold them off.

But logic says Young has to be considered the bigger prospect.

1) Young nearly 15 seconds better than the next best US HSer right now.

2) Tuohy had 2 other girls right behind her within 1 second.

3) Tuohy isn't as a good as she was last year according to the Tully speed ratings. Her best mark this year would have been her #6 from last year.

When you combine those facts with all of the other struggles that HS girls phenoms have had over the years, I think Young is clearly the bigger prospect.

Rojo

PS. Please remember you are talking about real human beings in this thread.

Couldn’t you hold off a day or two and let these 2 HIGH SCHOOLERS enjoy a phenomenal accomplishment?

She broke the course record in the rain and cold in 2017. She has won in snow and ice. Just a tough runner, which you have to be to be dominate in xc. The course was a muddy mess yesterday, but she won anyway. I don't think she looks any less fit than last season. And she broke a national record in track just this year. But none of us have a crystal ball. Still, she just won another NXN and people are writing her off. Really strange sport.