There's no way Jakob Ingebrigtsen has achieved his results naturally

I agree. And, as I’ve posted before, Henrik Ingebrigtsen was flagged as “likely doping” on the Fancy Bears leak. The Fancy Bears are up to their old tricks again, and the new leaks are apparently going to be released soon, so it will be interesting to see if there’s dirt on Jakob Ingebrigtsen specifically.

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

I’m torn because at this point I feel like everyone is cheating, but I also feel like he’s been training at a higher level than any other 18 year old I know (home school etc). But where would they be getting the drugs? And how would they have figured out how to dose.

If he is doping, when did he start? What drugs is he taking?

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Yeah...

Nothing says clean like running 6 seconds faster than the best American high schooler ever.

Hundreds of millions Americans versus millions of Norwegians.

Statistically unlikely, but that’s just me.

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Not since age 12, since age 8. He was training like a full-time professional runner by age 12.

Macdaddy wrote:

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Yeah...

Nothing says clean like running 6 seconds faster than the best American high schooler ever.

Hundreds of millions Americans versus millions of Norwegians.

Statistically unlikely, but that’s just me.

There's one person that we know isn't clean, Makhloufi.

Secretariat was Horse of the Year at 2.

no not really wrote:

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Not since age 12, since age 8. He was training like a full-time professional runner by age 12.

The early start doesn't make any difference. He's extremely talented, but some people will not believe 3:30 is possible for an 18-year old.

Maybe, maybe not wrote:

I’m torn because at this point I feel like everyone is cheating, but I also feel like he’s been training at a higher level than any other 18 year old I know (home school etc). But where would they be getting the drugs? And how would they have figured out how to dose.

There's no easier time in history to figure out how to dose and get drugs. A few seconds on Bing, and I found sites that will ship EPO anywhere in the world, and also sites that tell you how to dose EPO.

Completely made up accusations with NO evidence or even trace of evidence.

Boring.

(And the "suspiccion" from Henriks blood tests: Yeah they show that

the altitude training was working as planned. Nothing else.)

Let it go and enjoy that there is still genuine clean talents!!

It's called genetics wrote:

Secretariat was Horse of the Year at 2.

IDK if you’ve noticed, but people aren’t horses, lol.

reindeer milk wrote:

At his age, it's just not possible. He and his brothers are doping like crazy.

Just out of curiosity, do you feel Cheriyuots results have been achieved naturally? Kipchpoge's?

Subway Surfers wrote:

If he is doping, when did he start? What drugs is he taking?

If Usain Bolt doped, when did he start? What drugs did he take?

If Wilson Kipketer doped, when did he start? What drugs did he take?

Macdaddy wrote:

Greg wrote:

I believe they are clean. Webb ran an equivalent of 3:36 for 1500m, roughly, at 18.

J.I. ran about 3:30 at 18 and was specifically training to be a distance runner since 12.

Yeah...

Nothing says clean like running 6 seconds faster than the best American high schooler ever.

Hundreds of millions Americans versus millions of Norwegians.

Statistically unlikely, but that’s just me.

You can also look at it this way: millions of Norwegians leading a healthy lifestyle/eating healthy,nutritious foods/drinking good water vs the 10-15 thousand Americans doing the same.

We can argue if it is possible to run 3:30 / 13:00 clean.

However, I do not think age is of importance in this regard.

It is well known that if someone starts early he might peak early and a lifetime best at 18 or earlier is not unheard of. Think of Mary Cain for example. And surely you can name two dozen others...

LoneStarXC wrote:

I agree. And, as I’ve posted before, Henrik Ingebrigtsen was flagged as “likely doping” on the Fancy Bears leak.

If Henrik is cheating for fast times, then why did he regress and become slower than his 2 younger brothers?

facts and reason wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

I agree. And, as I’ve posted before, Henrik Ingebrigtsen was flagged as “likely doping” on the Fancy Bears leak.

If Henrik is cheating for fast times, then why did he regress and become slower than his 2 younger brothers?

If Asbel is cheating for fast times, then why did he regress and become slower than his countrymen?

Partridge wrote:

We can argue if it is possible to run 3:30 / 13:00 clean.

Stupid comment. Of course it's possible and faster too.