I saw a video last night of a kid called Aidan Puffer from Manchester, Conneticut doing 6 x 1000m. He mentioned that he jolted up his mileage and does workouts every 3rd day consisting of about 12miles. He is obviously very talented with a 14min 47sec at 14years old. What kind of training is this kid doing?
runnerrunner100 wrote:
I saw a video last night of a kid called Aidan Puffer from Manchester, Conneticut doing 6 x 1000m. He mentioned that he jolted up his mileage and does workouts every 3rd day consisting of about 12miles. He is obviously very talented with a 14min 47sec at 14years old. What kind of training is this kid doing?
Didn't you just answer your own question?
runnerrunner100 wrote:
I saw a video last night of a kid called Aidan Puffer from Manchester, Conneticut doing 6 x 1000m. He mentioned that he jolted up his mileage and does workouts every 3rd day consisting of about 12miles. He is obviously very talented with a 14min 47sec at 14years old. What kind of training is this kid doing?
I can only repeat what I said many times - Aidan Puffer is being coached by Tinman, who directly provides his HS coach with workouts that Puffer should be doing.
The Workout Wednesday was 6x1k@CV:
1 - 3:22
2 - 3:07
3 - 3:10
4 - 3:11
5 - 3:11
6 - 3:10
This is a classic Tinman workout. First rep a bit easier than true CV to get into it, then right at CV which for Puffer is around 3:10/k pace. Second one was a bit too fast, but because it's only 1k's it doesn't matter and he was able to complete the workout. Had he done 2k repeats, and the second one in 6:14, he either would have needed to cut the workout short OR strain to complete it.
That's why 1k is the perfect distance for such workouts according to Tinman.
Puff Daddy wrote:
runnerrunner100 wrote:
I saw a video last night of a kid called Aidan Puffer from Manchester, Conneticut doing 6 x 1000m. He mentioned that he jolted up his mileage and does workouts every 3rd day consisting of about 12miles. He is obviously very talented with a 14min 47sec at 14years old. What kind of training is this kid doing?
Didn't you just answer your own question?
LOL
What is CV?
Seems like a pretty average 2 mile time to me, is he late to get out of middle school? Maybe got held back a year? Probably below average then.
or C velocity. C could be central.
I know, I read all your posts on Tinman but 12mile workouts seem more exaggerated than what Drew was doing at that age so it would be interesting to see what his workouts are like in comparison to Drew's and if he is doing more volume on easy and tempo days. Thanks again LateRunnerPhil.
runnerrunner100 wrote:
I know, I read all your posts on Tinman but 12mile workouts seem more exaggerated than what Drew was doing at that age so it would be interesting to see what his workouts are like in comparison to Drew's and if he is doing more volume on easy and tempo days. Thanks again LateRunnerPhil.
Drew ran 12 mile workouts too. 3 mile WU, 6x1k @CV, 4x200 @Mile to 800m speed, 3 mile CD. Turned out to be roughly 12 miles.
Tinman makes sure that WU and CD are at least 15, better 20 min long. He would never assign 12 miles of quality to a HS kid.
Good points. Just wondering if anybody has any more specifics, is he doing more/less than 60mins easy days. more/less than 4mile tempos, more/less than 90min easy long run.
Not so sure this kid will still be around in five years time. Lots of young flame-outs.
Well, his coach prescribes most of his athletes with just 1-speed sessions each week and it is at only 92% of Vo2 Max Velocity.
average 2 mile wrote:
Seems like a pretty average 2 mile time to me, is he late to get out of middle school? Maybe got held back a year? Probably below average then.
It is his 5000 meter time/3.1 miles
douglas burke wrote:
average 2 mile wrote:
Seems like a pretty average 2 mile time to me, is he late to get out of middle school? Maybe got held back a year? Probably below average then.
It is his 5000 meter time/3.1 miles
LOL
When you don't get it... wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
It is his 5000 meter time/3.1 miles
LOL
Probably a short course.
Who cares?
So he runs , big deal.
Very average. I’ll look for him at the Olympics. He is my idol.
You nerds. Get a life.
Stop fawning over some pimple head .
12.5 laps of a 400m track is 5000m.
I feel like you're somehow connected to him (or possibly him even) and you're trying to get his name out there
Why would I try to get my name out, uh I mean, why would I try to get his name out.
I just reviewed Aidan Puffer's training log, and his highest volume week occurred the last week of September when he ran 60.6 miles. Starting the last week of July, his weekly mileage progression was 51.3, 54.9, 54.7, 57.9, 48.5, 49.8, 57.6, 58.1, 60.0, 60.6. Two weeks ago, he ran 31.6 miles, per the log, but he didn't fill in the amount that day (he had a race), so it was likely about 9-miles. He had two aerobic cross-training days in the pool that week instead of one. Last week, he ran in the pool mostly. He jogged a little yesterday and today. He had a sore lower leg at the end of last week, so I pulled him from land running and put him in the pool. He says he feels good and no issues now.
As a rule, Aidan water runs whenever he feels sore, or he does some other form of cross-training if the pool is not available. He does some stationary cycling at home on occasion for the sake of convenience. Typically, Aidan is assigned one aerobic cross-training day per week. His team coaches, who collaborate with me, along with his physical therapist, assign Aidan strength training twice per week.
I've had the honor of coaching Aidan for the last four years. He is a talented endurance athlete, for sure. However, like all runners, he can become injured. Therefore, his training is performed on grass or soft surfaces as much as possible. The Northeast winters make this practice difficult to manage, however. since virtually no grass is available to run on where he lives.
Two years ago, it became clear to me that Aidan is a great competitor. He can hold a pace and apply pressure as good as any runner I've ever coached. His mental toughness and focus are equal to his physical ability. He has the mindset of a champion! He has a hunger to compete. He's never afraid to push the pace or hold on to an older kid who has great ability. He just ups his game and fights the battle.
Last spring, Aidan ran 9:10 in the 3200m alone in the slow heat at a major meet in CT. It appeared the meet organizers put him in the slow heat simply because he was a freshman, which was a travesty. He and I care convinced he could have run near 9:00 in the fast heat. *He always runs faster when racing against top competition. After the race, he texted to share the results and he commented he wasn't tired, and he wished he could have been allowed to run in the fast heat. Aidan, Rheinhardt Harrison, and Judson Greer, all runners I coach, were number one in America for their respective events and grade levels last spring. Aidan (freshman) ran 9:10. Rheinhardt (freshman) ran 4:12. Judson (sophomore) ran 9:06.
A couple of years ago, the three runners attended the Project Gold Running Camp where they became friends. They still stay in contact. They continue to support and encourage each other, which leads me to a key point about the success of athletes. It's quite helpful for runners to have friends of like mind. If they have similar abilities and goals, they can support each other, which in turn helps them stay on the path to higher and higher performance levels. *We should never discount the importance of building bonds between athletes. The bonds they form elevates their "game."
As an aside, the three boys mentioned were in awe of another higher schooler last year - Joe Waskom - whom I coached for two years. Joe became a motivating force for them. Joe graduated from Snoqualmie (WA) HS in June and now runs for the University of Washington under the direction of Andy Powell. The three boys knew that if Joe Waskom (like Drew Hunter) could reach high levels of success (4:03 mile), they could too since they had the same coach. We see this social phenomenon come alive in top high school and university programs. Younger runners raise their game because they see older runners on their team doing well. The younger runners believe success is calling their name too.
For the person who asked if Aidan ran 12-miles in the workout that was shown on the MileSplit website, that's correct. It's important to note that Aidan doesn't run 12-miles each workout. As mentioned above, his highest volume week since July 60.6 miles. Typically, he has run in the 50s per week with one cross-training day. Like all my athletes, Aidan runs slowly on easy days and makes the run (basically) therapeutic in nature.
My athletes are prescribed training by minutes not miles. In my view, assigning training by minutes is an effective strategy for targeting an amount of training stress. If I assign Aidan a 1-hour recovery run and he feels tired, he may only run 8-miles. If he feels fresh, his recovery run is near 9 miles.
Below here is an excerpt from the workout from Aidan's Final Surge calendar.
" Aidan, because you have Milesplit filming your workout, run the intervals on the track. Normally this is not what I prescribe for you during cross-country season. But, today is an exception.
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- 75-minute run:
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- Standard Pre-race warm-up (20-minutes) +
- 6 x 1000m @ CV pace on the track
(jog 200m recoveries) (CV is ~3:10-3:07.5/km or 1:16-1:15/400m).
- Jog 3-minutes after the last rep +
- 6 x 200m @ 1600m race effort
(~32 seconds/rep) (jog 200m recoveries).
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- After the last rep, run easily as you complete the assigned total time.
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- Hydrate as needed, particularly before or after key training sets (1000s or 200s).
- Refuel and hydrate within 20-minutes of completing the workout. Remember, a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio of carbs to protein is ideal for recovering well from a workout. If in doubt, consume chocolate milk. Otherwise, consume a pre-mixed commercial recovery product."