Hasay breaks her silence about Salazar and talks about her future

Every runner without exception that started to train under Salazar has improved significantly than what he used to be. So either all the previous coaches of those athletes are complete idiots who know nothing about training, OR that Salazar is doping his athletes.

How has she improved significantly? Her 5k/10k times haven't come down much from college, IIRC, and she's obviously made for the marathon, so her baseline started with salazar and has improved about 2min from start to now (also IIRC).

I'm trying to find the connection or logic in your statement but it doesn't seem to be there.

Acually there a list on letsrun of dozens of runners that Alberto coached who didn't improved until he got the formulas right.

I'm fully in support of the Salazar ban, of Jenny and Kara and Magness etc., and I gained a lot of respect for Hasay after reading this. Obviously we don't know anything for certain, but to state point-blank that she never used anything or saw Dr. Brown seems very straightforward and open. I hope she can successfully compartmentalize this and have a great race on Sunday.

You don’t run 32 minutes for 10k and 1:07 for half and 2:20 for the marathon. She made a suspicious significant improvement around 2016-17, and hasn’t run 10k or 5k since then, but if she had you would have seen a result closer to 30 minutes, because that’s what a 1:07 and 2:20 runs. Comprende?

Andrew Wheating?

She might be lying... because that's what dopers do... they lie.

Ggggg wrote:

You don’t run 32 minutes for 10k and 1:07 for half and 2:20 for the marathon. She made a suspicious significant improvement around 2016-17, and hasn’t run 10k or 5k since then, but if she had you would have seen a result closer to 30 minutes, because that’s what a 1:07 and 2:20 runs. Comprende?

She’s made for the marathon and road racing. She always looked uncomfortable racing shorter distances on the track in track spikes. Her performances in the marathon speak for themself. Comprehende?

No h in comprende.

Jordan refused to speak with USADA as part of their investigation.

She may have been clean when she first joined NOP, but after she failed to make the team in 2016 she went all in on Alberto’s program. Hence, her marathon debut outcome.

She can’t be trusted in the least and makes it sound like she had a loose affiliation with Alberto, who in reality is known to be a micro manager.

not even a fan wrote:

I'm fully in support of the Salazar ban, of Jenny and Kara and Magness etc., and I gained a lot of respect for Hasay after reading this. Obviously we don't know anything for certain, but to state point-blank that she never used anything or saw Dr. Brown seems very straightforward and open. I hope she can successfully compartmentalize this and have a great race on Sunday.

Not seeing Dr. Brown does NOT mean she did not listen to Salazar and refused his prescriptions. Quote from one interview with her nutrition company:

“I love Thorne’s Catalyte to keep me hydrated,* so I sip on that all day. Also, while traveling I use extra Thorne Ascorbic Acid to support my immune system.* I also use Thorne’s Multi-Vitamin Elite, Super EPA, Meriva 500-SF, and Vitamin D as regimen staples to make sure I’m getting all my essential nutrients.* I love Thorne products because they are NSF Certified for Sport®, so I feel really confident in what I’m putting in my body. I have zero worries about contamination.”

For marathon training, Jordan is also a huge fan of Thorne’s RecoveryPro. She said it’s one of her nightly staples. “With my training, I need a snack before bed and Recoverypro is great to mix with yogurt or milk – plus it has magnesium which helps with sleep.”*

Jordan told us that after a year of supplementing with Thorne products, she is definitely noticing a difference.

“I am able to recover much faster and also handle longer workouts with more ease thanks to being properly fueled and having all my bases covered in terms of overall health. I am so thankful!”

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That is a LOT of stuff she is taking (far more than the Vitamin D, iron and multivitamin mentioned in her article), and while nothing of it is on the anti-doping list it is clear that Salazar pushed her to reach the 70-80 value for Vitamin D (standard ideal is >35), enough omega 3, etc. This is also just what she listed from Thorne, she is likely using MUCH more stuff which is more into the grey or even forbidden area but does not make it public. She literally went from being a 15 mid/31:30 runner to the best HM/marathon runner in the whole states after she joined NOP.

Ggggg wrote:

You don’t run 32 minutes for 10k and 1:07 for half and 2:20 for the marathon. She made a suspicious significant improvement around 2016-17, and hasn’t run 10k or 5k since then, but if she had you would have seen a result closer to 30 minutes, because that’s what a 1:07 and 2:20 runs. Comprende?

Also since that year she's run a few sub par half marathons for her. Her running 2:20 was highly suspicious as she trained for the 5k 10k for years under Salazar and didn't develop at it and was nearly let go by NOP. She ran faster than 32 minutes and I'm sure fools here will say she was just built for the marathon which is baloney. Her 10k time and 1500 time line up but she somehow sucks at the 5k even worse than 10k and is amazing at the marathon. That might happen with an uncoached and undertrained person just doing their own thing but that just doesn't happen with the pros these days. The fact that Alberto said be good at this or you're done here doesn't put it in a good light. I just don't see how she could only run a 15:45 in June 2017 and then at Chicago she opens up at 16:09 and is able to hang on for a 2:20 finish.

Just looked at the splits again 16:09 for the first 5k and 32:30 for the 10k and hangs on yet only a couple of months earlier in June only had a 15:45 result. She should have 14:40 ability. Not a good look.

That wasn't so much nutritional insight as a full-on infomercial for Thorne... Hasay has been sponsored by them for the last 1.5 years.

This a far bigger discussion , you think elites all around the world don't take sophisticated supplements no matter the formula to support thier training, Im afraid not. I think if all elite athletes were made to list all supplements and frequency along with medical exceptions for treatment , OP might be looked at differently.

All elites look for an edge, supplements are just a wink of the eye bypass to help recovery. They are not banned.

Singling out Jordan for her straight forward transparent approach seems a little odd.

Are you suggesting it be narrowed to water only?

truth be told. wrote:

Ggggg wrote:

You don’t run 32 minutes for 10k and 1:07 for half and 2:20 for the marathon. She made a suspicious significant improvement around 2016-17, and hasn’t run 10k or 5k since then, but if she had you would have seen a result closer to 30 minutes, because that’s what a 1:07 and 2:20 runs. Comprende?

She’s made for the marathon and road racing. She always looked uncomfortable racing shorter distances on the track in track spikes. Her performances in the marathon speak for themself. Comprehende?

What was she on? She was on the road 6 hours/day training. What are YOU on?

Let's see, did she say all this while under oath?

No clue if Hasay has taken anything she shouldn't have. But she told the media that she was "pain-free" and "cleared of injury" less than 24 hours before she scratched from the boston marathon "because of injury." Either she wasn't pain free or she didn't scratch from the race because of injury. either way, take what she says with a grain of salt.

Ggggg wrote:

Every runner without exception that started to train under Salazar has improved significantly than what he used to be. So either all the previous coaches of those athletes are complete idiots who know nothing about training, OR that Salazar is doping his athletes.

There are threads on these same boards questioning why Salazar gets the praise that he does. If you look at the posts that immediately pre-dated the 2016 Olympics, several people questioned why Salazar was considered a good coach and provided a list of failures.

When athletes join NOP and train under Salazar, you aren't just getting a coach who is going to train you harder than anyone else ever has - you are also going to be introduced to teams of people designed to improve your strength and efficiency. (Yes, I know people are going to assume doping). But you're talking about nutritionists, different strength coaches, mental health therapists, Alberto may even have an oxygen chamber installed into your home. It's more than just a guy who is going to tell you to run harder repeats, longer runs, etc... It seems pretty obvious Nike gave Alberto his NOP unlimited resources. No other running club is going to have access to some of these - not even the Bowerman Track Club.