Why isn't Magness banned? He admits taking an illegal amount of L Carnitine by an illegal method. He abetted a convicted coach in the practice of doping.
You can't say he told that he did it so he gets off. Alberto told what he was doing.
Can't be ok for one and not the other.
Agreed, as far as we know Magness is the only one who broke doping rules. He should suffer a penalty as well.
Because Magness told what was going on in 2015 to expose the NOP and get an investigation started, and not in 2017 as the target of the investigation. Really, the difference isn't hard to understand if you don't refuse to understand something obvious.
So...
on Tuesday afternoon I can tell the police officer that drivers in my neighborhood were speeding and he can write tickets but later in the week I can drive as fast as I want and not receive a ticket?
my 2c wrote:
Because Magness told what was going on in 2015 to expose the NOP and get an investigation started, and not in 2017 as the target of the investigation. Really, the difference isn't hard to understand if you don't refuse to understand something obvious.
I think the point is that part of Salazar's ban was based on Magness being an athlete. I think most, including Magness himself, think that is a bit of an overreach. So , if any part of Salazar's 4 years are based on that technicality, than Magness should also get a ban based on that silly technicality.
Because Rupp has to go down first for the infusion of thousands of gallons of L-carnitine over the years.
Well, you're not wrong. It does beg questions. Salazar gets four years because another disgruntled coach, Magness, took an extra dose of a legal supplement (and then ran a race, deeming him to be an athlete) - but Magness, who actually took the dose and who ran, gets nothing? Punishment does not seem equitable or to fit the crime. This speaks to USADA's lack of uniformity in prosecutorial pursuit and punishment. AKA hypocrisy. Tygart seems to gain perverse pleasure in destroying people's lives and livelihoods. Taking down Salazar seems more personal than an impartial administration of justice. Aat the end of the day, USADA needed to put up a high-profile win to justify huge effort and expense. Having this finding and sanction announced during World's was no coincidence. The "big fish" here was Salazar. Magness got a pass for ratting him out. Or making shite up, as the case may be. Even if Salazar ultimately mounts an exonerating defense or rides out the ban, , his career and reputation are effectively ruined. He's forever tainted goods - and everyone associated with him and NOP are deemed guilty by association.
Oh Realy wrote:
Why isn't Magness banned? He admits taking an illegal amount of L Carnitine by an illegal method. He abetted a convicted coach in the practice of doping.
You can't say he told that he did it so he gets off. Alberto told what he was doing.
Can't be ok for one and not the other.
Because he never coached anyone good!
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why rupp wrote:
Because Rupp has to go down first for the infusion of thousands of gallons of L-carnitine over the years.
Nah, it is perfectly find to receive thousands of gallons of L-carnitine as long as you get in 50ml (now 100ml) at a time.
Magness should receive a ban, even if it is reduced for giving substantial assistance.
Steve, the truth is coming.
I've heard a ban is coming.
2-4 years.
Juice Springsteen wrote:
Because he never coached anyone good!
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Al gets the studs and Steve didn't. Al had more to work with from the start. But, I like Steve---a lot!!!
Let's be serious wrote:
why rupp wrote:
Because Rupp has to go down first for the infusion of thousands of gallons of L-carnitine over the years.
Nah, it is perfectly find to receive thousands of gallons of L-carnitine as long as you get in 50ml (now 100ml) at a time.
You are not smart enough to know that the 50ml dosage was at twice the frequency as the new 100ml. That means the infusion amount limits per day are identical before and after.
Sesamoiditis wrote:
my 2c wrote:
Because Magness told what was going on in 2015 to expose the NOP and get an investigation started, and not in 2017 as the target of the investigation. Really, the difference isn't hard to understand if you don't refuse to understand something obvious.
I think the point is that part of Salazar's ban was based on Magness being an athlete. I think most, including Magness himself, think that is a bit of an overreach. So , if any part of Salazar's 4 years are based on that technicality, than Magness should also get a ban based on that silly technicality.
Magness was an assistant coach, not an athlete.
Serious Lea wrote:
Let's be serious wrote:
Nah, it is perfectly find to receive thousands of gallons of L-carnitine as long as you get in 50ml (now 100ml) at a time.
You are not smart enough to know that the 50ml dosage was at twice the frequency as the new 100ml. That means the infusion amount limits per day are identical before and after.
Eat POOH you loser. Go educate yourself before spewing your garbage lies.
Next on my list wrote:
No, Steve was all in with NOP. He carried out everything asked of him happily. Bragged about how well he ran in tempos with Ritz after the drip.
Steve is then kicked out of NOP for having a relationship with an athlete. He then becomes vindictive and starts talking. I trust no one who only starts talking after being fired.
Steve isn't a hero, Steve is a rat. Never trust a Rat.
Hero's say no and do the right thing when it starts.
Agree. Steve was the scientist in the group, they were his experiments.
Flying Carpet Salesman wrote:
Go educate yourself before spewing your garbage lies.
^ A clueless idiot makes a post.
Next on my list wrote:
No, Steve was all in with NOP. He carried out everything asked of him happily. Bragged about how well he ran in tempos with Ritz after the drip.
Steve is then kicked out of NOP for having a relationship with an athlete. He then becomes vindictive and starts talking. I trust no one who only starts talking after being fired.
Steve isn't a hero, Steve is a rat. Never trust a Rat.
Hero's say no and do the right thing when it starts.
Betting this guy is a Trump supporter...
I suspect that since Magness came forward and there is a record of his asking questions along the way and got out (or was fired, whichever) and then came forward that USADA has decided not to sanction him.
To me this is fair. He was in a tough spot and from what I have read did a lot of questioning. Everyone here thinks they would act perfectly morally, but when you are in your dream job and the bosses are telling you to do something, most of you would go along. It is easy to throw stones from the comfort of your keyboard.
my 2c wrote:
Because Magness told what was going on in 2015 to expose the NOP and get an investigation started, and not in 2017 as the target of the investigation. Really, the difference isn't hard to understand if you don't refuse to understand something obvious.
Trevor Graham sent in the syringe to blow open Balco, but he received a lifetime ban anyway.