Insane run.
Insane run.
Unfortunately with all things track and field, you should use a question mark instead of an exclamation mark.
Of course Helen Obri is clean. If Obri were not clean, she would have been able to race toe to toe vesus Sifan Hassan until the final 100m, in 10000m. If you believe Obri is not clean, you are also stating Obri went to the trouble of racing 10000m to finish 5th on purpose.
lmao imagine thinking a sub-14:30 Kenyan was clean.
Racist.. you realize the Kenyan talent pool is absolutely massive right? For every “American/British phenom” you can name, they have a high schooler or 10 who can beat them...
Also American football is a waste of athletic talent and should be banned
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Insane run.
Seconded!
I second that and more so, she had tired legs after the 10 kilometres.
Had Obiri not run the 10k, she'd have dropped another 10 seconds. We'd have been smelling the world record.
Slow loser you must be wrote:
Racist.. you realize the Kenyan talent pool is absolutely massive right? For every “American/British phenom” you can name, they have a high schooler or 10 who can beat them...
lmao Kenya has 25-year-old high schoolers with Italian coaches.
Not really comparable bro
little dave22 wrote:
lmao imagine thinking a sub-14:30 Kenyan was clean.
Little dave,
When you grow up, you'll understand some of these things.
NativeSon wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Insane run.
Seconded!
I second that and more so, she had tired legs after the 10 kilometres.
Had Obiri not run the 10k, she'd have dropped another 10 seconds. We'd have been smelling the world record.
I don't know. I think Dibaba's record is almost untouchable, now that Ayana isn't the same anymore. She was the only one to come close to it at 14;12 I think, and then her sister ran 14:14 at one point....
But other than that I haven't seen anyone dropping anything faster than 14:20.
I would put everything that I own on the fact that Obiri and Kipyegon are clean. They are too adamant about running clean, and having strict drug tests.
When Rita and Jemima tested positive, obiri, keitany and kipyegon all went hard on both athletes.
Phantasy Star II wrote:
Slow loser you must be wrote:
Racist.. you realize the Kenyan talent pool is absolutely massive right? For every “American/British phenom” you can name, they have a high schooler or 10 who can beat them...
lmao Kenya has 25-year-old high schoolers with Italian coaches.
Not really comparable bro
Stop being weird!
How many of the Kenyan 25 year old secondary school students do you know (have you met)?
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I don't know. I think Dibaba's record is almost untouchable, now that Ayana isn't the same anymore. She was the only one to come close to it at 14;12 I think, and then her sister ran 14:14 at one point....
But other than that I haven't seen anyone dropping anything faster than 14:20.
Obiri's pb is 14:18.37
After the 3k in Stanford earlier this season, I think in another year or two Gidey and Koko could have a try at the 5k WR. And Hassan of course, but...
Slow loser you must be wrote:
Racist.. you realize the Kenyan talent pool is absolutely massive right? For every “American/British phenom” you can name, they have a high schooler or 10 who can beat them...
Also American football is a waste of athletic talent and should be banned
Massively doped. Yes. Any Kenyan running at the world lever should be suspect.
Gidey may move to the marathon, as her sprint speed isn't as good as her endurance capacity. I see her as XC, 10k, Marathon runner. She is young and will match Ayana over 10km, and can break Paula's marathon best in a few years if developed properly. Still might run very fast over 5000m in the right race, but if it is not on the DL circuit anymore those races/opportunities will become less frequent.
I wasn't impressed with Koko's run today, after running 14.26 by herself. But perhaps she doesn't run as well in the heat.
No, with Koko it's inexperience in big finals. (And she is so good at solo running, that there was not as much air above that 14:26 as one might think.) And for some reason Julian apparently tells her only to react when others make a move. She beat Obiri and Kipkemboi in Brussels in a somewhat similar race. There she was helped by Gidey making a move around 4k. Koko should have done that today. She cannot depend on her last lap but in these races with last three last laps in 64-65 she fared much better than today with 68 +60 (actually the first to 58-59 for the last lap). As she was 2 sec. above her PB and in her first big final one shouldn't complain. But I think it was a tactical mistake.
I also didn't excpect Obiri so strong after mediocre perfomances in Brussels and the Doha 10k. Neither Kipkemboi nor the Ethiopians (some with huge PBs in that race).
well, obiri dropped something faster wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I don't know. I think Dibaba's record is almost untouchable, now that Ayana isn't the same anymore. She was the only one to come close to it at 14;12 I think, and then her sister ran 14:14 at one point....
But other than that I haven't seen anyone dropping anything faster than 14:20.
Obiri's pb is 14:18.37
I know. And that’s not close to world record and that was a few years ago if I’m not mistaken. And that’s not close to 14:11.
As as of recent no one is running 14 in the teens. I just don’t see it. No even with a doped up Hassan.
Hassan's 8:18 3k somewhat early in the season is equivalent to 14:15 or so, in any case it was faster than all sub 14:20 runners ran in the 3k (except for G. Dibaba indoors). I think she could get close to the 5k WR.
Times in the 14:20s become a dime a dozen. Gidey ran it last year at 20 yo. Tirop ran it in London, Koko ran it solo, Kipkemboi got there today, 20 yo Gemechu 14:29 with a 30 sec. PB in an uneven championship race. All guaranteed clean runners. They are young and eventually they will get below 14:20.
Yup! Tactical mistake. She was never going to outkick Obiri on the last lap. For the last few rounds I was screaming at the screen: "Make a move!! Push the pace damnit!" Obiri would probably have won anyways, but it would make it harder for her, and play to KoKo's strengths.
Jo72 wrote:
No, with Koko it's inexperience in big finals. (And she is so good at solo running, that there was not as much air above that 14:26 as one might think.) And for some reason Julian apparently tells her only to react when others make a move. She beat Obiri and Kipkemboi in Brussels in a somewhat similar race. There she was helped by Gidey making a move around 4k. Koko should have done that today. She cannot depend on her last lap but in these races with last three last laps in 64-65 she fared much better than today with 68 +60 (actually the first to 58-59 for the last lap). As she was 2 sec. above her PB and in her first big final one shouldn't complain. But I think it was a tactical mistake.
I also didn't excpect Obiri so strong after mediocre perfomances in Brussels and the Doha 10k. Neither Kipkemboi nor the Ethiopians (some with huge PBs in that race).
Jo72 wrote:
No, with Koko it's inexperience in big finals. (And she is so good at solo running, that there was not as much air above that 14:26 as one might think.) And for some reason Julian apparently tells her only to react when others make a move. She beat Obiri and Kipkemboi in Brussels in a somewhat similar race. There she was helped by Gidey making a move around 4k. Koko should have done that today. She cannot depend on her last lap but in these races with last three last laps in 64-65 she fared much better than today with 68 +60 (actually the first to 58-59 for the last lap). As she was 2 sec. above her PB and in her first big final one shouldn't complain. But I think it was a tactical mistake.
I also didn't excpect Obiri so strong after mediocre perfomances in Brussels and the Doha 10k. Neither Kipkemboi nor the Ethiopians (some with huge PBs in that race).
Actually this year was an okay year for obiri based on her standards. She did smoke Hassan in one DL race, and then Hassan returned the favor later on. But other than that Obiri has been decent.
She won the XC world championships this year, but I think that took a lot out of her with the way that she ran it. It was an incredible run.
Obiri 2017 was insane and just on a high, high level, and I think Olympic year next year we will see her back at that level.
I personally think Gidey focked up her 10000m race against Hassan. Obiri was pushing a good pace to run the legs off Hassan, but then Gidey pushed harder and surged forward . Obiri stupidly gave chase instead of just letting Gidey go because it was way too early. Hassan sat back.
Obiri blew her load, and she was done . Hassan passed her on the final lap and then ran down Gidey.
I still think that was planned because that was the same thing that Gidey did at pre, only that time it was Dibaba who played the fool, and Hassan capitalized.