According to the lawsuit in the allegations it says that Ritz received treatment from the doctors around 2012. In The fall of 2012 he ran 2:07:47 at the Chicago Marathon.
With the dates given by the lawsuit and his fast progression could 2 and 2 go together.
Every performance under Salazar is now tainted. That goes for Ritz, Farah, Rupp, Centro...
You’re just now reading this? It was in the USADA report from a few years ago. He was a victim, as was everyone who whistleblew on how cheating was forced on them- not done at their own will. Hence why Salazar and Dr Brown were banned and not the athletes.
whistleblower. wrote:
You’re just now reading this? It was in the USADA report from a few years ago. He was a victim, as was everyone who whistleblew on how cheating was forced on them- not done at their own will. Hence why Salazar and Dr Brown were banned and not the athletes.
I hope that was a joke. Oh look at me the victim, please stop forcing injections on me.
i think Ritz is 100% clean
The charges are against the coach, Ritz never tested positive. L-Carinite is grey area and the only person who was found to be over the legal grey-area limit was assistant coach Steve Magness.
So a doctor is giving you a substance that’s not banned and injects an amount beyond what’s allowed without your knowledge and consent? How would you like to be the one in the chair being assured by a doctor that what they are doing is legal, and then find out later it’s not? We should applaud those who came forward as victims who were duped. They had people in positions of power over them and were complicit to comply. It wasn’t their fault.
ripparkerstinson wrote:
According to the lawsuit in the allegations it says that Ritz received treatment from the doctors around 2012. In The fall of 2012 he ran 2:07:47 at the Chicago Marathon.
With the dates given by the lawsuit and his fast progression could 2 and 2 go together.
This is very old news
whistleblower. wrote:
So a doctor is giving you a substance that’s not banned and injects an amount beyond what’s allowed without your knowledge and consent? How would you like to be the one in the chair being assured by a doctor that what they are doing is legal, and then find out later it’s not? We should applaud those who came forward as victims who were duped. They had people in positions of power over them and were complicit to comply. It wasn’t their fault.
There is no conclusion that Ritz received an injection over the legal limit (50ml).
Drug cheat Magness is the only one found guilty of doping actually.
Why are you surprised? He basically admitted it in the NY Times article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/sports/nike-oregon-project-alberto-salazar-dathan-ritzenhein.html
This is fact, so did the other athlete who Salazar told to take Asthma medicine as a PED to win a race....even though the athlete didn't have asthma or prescription to take it by a doctor.
They doped.... via medicine, via going beyond substance limits, taking legal substances that they don't need....like Russians taking Meldonium for cardiac conditions that they don't have, even though the substance was legal.
Asthma medicine increases oxygen intake, allowing athletes to run faster and longer.
ripparkerstinson wrote:
According to the lawsuit in the allegations it says that Ritz received treatment from the doctors around 2012. In The fall of 2012 he ran 2:07:47 at the Chicago Marathon.
With the dates given by the lawsuit and his fast progression could 2 and 2 go together.
Ritz is an interesting case. Your mention of 2012 Chicago reminds me of something interesting.
I remember talking to someone about the NOP and the allegations a long while back. I said, "Well if they are doping, they can't all be doing can they? What about someeone like Ritz? No way he is doping, right?" Their reply was "I imagine he was clean most of the time but if you're getting up there in age, haven't done anything in years and your contract is about to expire in an Olympic year, and you've got kids to support, might you let Alberto rub some androgel in you or not ask any questions. You run 2:07 and you are good to for for another few years."
Now that was just speculation by them based on the year, and how contracts are normally based and what not. Adnd to be honest I'm not sure it's fair as he had run 2;09 earlier that year to get 4th at the Trials. But That's the problem with all of these cases. If you want to be negative, you can come up with a narrative that fits that idea - same thing if you want to be supportive.
Now it's clear that in the case of the l-carnitine Ritz did ask questions. That being said, while the arbitrators aren't convinced that their injections were over the limit like they were with Magness, I talked to one of Ritz's ex-teammates about it and asked it and asked him what he thought. He said, "I'd tell him to his face. You did it buddy. You crossed the line and are a doper."
Is that fair? Ritz repeatedly asked not to go over the L-carinitine limit. I don't know. He became irate when he found out he was taking a supplement linked to cancer. I heard Ritz was irate about it all and the fact that he had to lawyer up and refused to wear the NOP singlet when he ran Boston after moving back to Michigan.
In the end, I think we don't know what he did or didn't do, such as is the case with much of the sport.
rojo wrote:
ripparkerstinson wrote:
According to the lawsuit in the allegations it says that Ritz received treatment from the doctors around 2012. In The fall of 2012 he ran 2:07:47 at the Chicago Marathon.
With the dates given by the lawsuit and his fast progression could 2 and 2 go together.
Ritz is an interesting case. Your mention of 2012 Chicago reminds me of something interesting.
I remember talking to someone about the NOP and the allegations a long while back. I said, "Well if they are doping, they can't all be doing can they? What about someeone like Ritz? No way he is doping, right?" Their reply was "I imagine he was clean most of the time but if you're getting up there in age, haven't done anything in years and your contract is about to expire in an Olympic year, and you've got kids to support, might you let Alberto rub some androgel in you or not ask any questions. You run 2:07 and you are good to for for another few years."
Now that was just speculation by them based on the year, and how contracts are normally based and what not. Adnd to be honest I'm not sure it's fair as he had run 2;09 earlier that year to get 4th at the Trials. But That's the problem with all of these cases. If you want to be negative, you can come up with a narrative that fits that idea - same thing if you want to be supportive.
Now it's clear that in the case of the l-carnitine Ritz did ask questions. That being said, while the arbitrators aren't convinced that their injections were over the limit like they were with Magness, I talked to one of Ritz's ex-teammates about it and asked it and asked him what he thought. He said, "I'd tell him to his face. You did it buddy. You crossed the line and are a doper."
Is that fair? Ritz repeatedly asked not to go over the L-carinitine limit. I don't know. He became irate when he found out he was taking a supplement linked to cancer. I heard Ritz was irate about it all and the fact that he had to lawyer up and refused to wear the NOP singlet when he ran Boston after moving back to Michigan.
In the end, I think we don't know what he did or didn't do, such as is the case with much of the sport.
Ritz gets a pass because he questioned the legality of everything, but was told that it was legal, and he cooperated with everything. And he moved away from the group. Him and Kara get a pass.
this is the only appropriate hot take. golden boy ritz gets a pass who as actually around during the doping and admitted to it. yet brazier and other current nop runners who arrived 3-5 years post the bad acts are some how "tainted".
ritz was doped to the gils.
whistleblower. wrote:
You’re just now reading this? It was in the USADA report from a few years ago. He was a victim, as was everyone who whistleblew on how cheating was forced on them- not done at their own will. Hence why Salazar and Dr Brown were banned and not the athletes.
A "victim"?! Hahahaha! Kind of like how a getaway driver didbt actually rob the bank...
Ritz gets a pass because he questioned the legality of everything, but was told that it was legal, and he cooperated with everything. And he moved away from the group. Him and Kara get a pass.[/quote]
One would hope that he would be completely forthcoming about what was done. If you skirt the line, then there are going to be people who are on both sides of the aisle (ie he did dope/he didn't). The fact that Salazar worked closely with doping authorities and the fact that Ritz seemed so concerned about staying within regulations, I don't think he cheated. I do think violated the spirit of competition. Nutrition certainly matters, however when one gets involved directly with novel pharmaceutical applications for running, it just seems to go against the unspoken rules of good conduct. I will always have more respect for guys like Rodgers, Shorter, Pre, etc. as they trained savagely and ate and consumed things like humans and not medical experiments.
Most likely one reason his racing and training body is failing him. The chassis cannot handle to engine...the tendons can no longer support the heart work. Tendons and soft tissue are the first musculature flaws to show.
Rupp should have been banned too- no way did he not have knowledge. He and Jordan just play dumb
Dril wrote:
this is the only appropriate hot take. golden boy ritz gets a pass who as actually around during the doping and admitted to it. yet brazier and other current nop runners who arrived 3-5 years post the bad acts are some how "tainted".
ritz was doped to the gils.
When I see your user name I know I'm about to read something dumb. You never fail me. By the way, according to the report, Ritz never participated in anything illegal.