Do Americans suck now or are all the Africans using some new drug..? Too many world records are falling.

I am sorry too say that to you but the americans have always been second tier in long distance running to the east africans.

it might be the encouragement and love of running, the lack of processed food, the will and drive to succeed to escape poverty, the life at high elevation, running to and from school, hard working and simple lives that they live compared to american distance runners who maybe do xc and track in high school, surrounded by "healthy foods" and may train at elevation. they have a headstart from the beginning, and east africa is just a better training environment than the US.

Sifan Hassan is for all practical purposes (except genetic heritage), especially for access to doping or density of tests American/European, not African. She should not be more or less suspect than many other US/Euro top performers, say Frerichs (outlandish improvement in 2017) or Wilson or Brazier or Klosterhalfen or Ingebrigtsen etc.

It's called the Vaporfly. These runners look like they are bouncing on the roads. And don't think they haven't put that same technology in the track spikes.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

It's called the Vaporfly. These runners look like they are bouncing on the roads. And don't think they haven't put that same technology in the track spikes.

If it were the Vaporflys than how come Bekele is running over a full minute faster In the marathon and his last few races were in Vaporflys too...?? Yeah, u just got shut down.

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It's interesting how for you the word "American" = "White."

Sounds like you hate America.

Sounds like you hate white people too.

Sounds like you enjoy lumping them together.

Sounds like you've never been to America.

Breaking the records wrote:

Last night Sifan splits a 3:59 final 1500 (3 seconds off the American record in the stand alone 1500) in a race 6 times the distance (not in vaporflys) l

I’m one of the biggest fans of distance running and it’s not even fun anymore watching all these Africans run seemingly impossible times knowing something isn’t right.

Sifan is Dutch. Moved there at 15. Are you saying the Dutch are dirty?

Well you did call Shippers a doper. Which is it?

Breaking the records wrote:

What is it guys? Keystone esthers? Some new form of undetectable EPO?

Last night Sifan splits a 3:59 final 1500 (3 seconds off the American record in the stand alone 1500) in a race 6 times the distance (not in vaporflys) last week the Half marathon record gets crushed, today 3 men all run 2:03 or faster. So what is it ? These Africans are all doping or Africans have suddenly mutated to be better in distance running while Americans have got worse? We aren’t even remotely competitive anymore.

I’m one of the biggest fans of distance running and it’s not even fun anymore watching all these Africans run seemingly impossible times knowing something isn’t right.

Ask the Italian doctors

Less than 2 1/2 miles into 2019 Championships, women 10000m final, the Ethiopians, plus Sifan Hassan and the three Kenyans lowered the pace from 76 seconds per lap to (71 to 74) seconds per lap until 4 laps to go. The US women and European women were not physically unable at 3600m to 8600m of racing at (71 to 74) seconds per lap. The US women and European women gave up. That portion of the race was a collective psychological let down.

psychological also wrote:

Less than 2 1/2 miles into 2019 Championships, women 10000m final, the Ethiopians, plus Sifan Hassan and the three Kenyans lowered the pace from 76 seconds per lap to (71 to 74) seconds per lap until 4 laps to go. The US women and European women were not physically unable at 3600m to 8600m of racing at (71 to 74) seconds per lap. The US women and European women gave up. That portion of the race was a collective psychological let down.

When you say 'gave up' you mean unable to follow the pace of the rocket fueled front runners.

Have you ever raced at any decent level?

trollism wrote:

psychological also wrote:

Less than 2 1/2 miles into 2019 Championships, women 10000m final, the Ethiopians, plus Sifan Hassan and the three Kenyans lowered the pace from 76 seconds per lap to (71 to 74) seconds per lap until 4 laps to go. The US women and European women were not physically unable at 3600m to 8600m of racing at (71 to 74) seconds per lap. The US women and European women gave up. That portion of the race was a collective psychological let down.

When you say 'gave up' you mean unable to follow the pace of the rocket fueled front runners.

Have you ever raced at any decent level?

Not the 10000m. You got me I suck at that event. This will be moot ten years from now. Eventually, no 10000m on track. Feel free to brag. Post your sub-27 10000m performances.

trollism wrote:

psychological also wrote:

Less than 2 1/2 miles into 2019 Championships, women 10000m final, the Ethiopians, plus Sifan Hassan and the three Kenyans lowered the pace from 76 seconds per lap to (71 to 74) seconds per lap until 4 laps to go. The US women and European women were not physically unable at 3600m to 8600m of racing at (71 to 74) seconds per lap. The US women and European women gave up. That portion of the race was a collective psychological let down.

When you say 'gave up' you mean unable to follow the pace of the rocket fueled front runners.

Have you ever raced at any decent level?

From 3600m to 8600m, the seven women I stated raced that portion in about 15 minutes. I am not discussing the final 1600m. Are you telling me the US & European runners were physically unable to race at 15 minute pace for the 5000m from 3600m to 8600m?

Breaking the records wrote:

What is it guys? Keystone esthers? Some new form of undetectable EPO?

Last night Sifan splits a 3:59 final 1500 (3 seconds off the American record in the stand alone 1500) in a race 6 times the distance (not in vaporflys) last week the Half marathon record gets crushed, today 3 men all run 2:03 or faster. So what is it ? These Africans are all doping or Africans have suddenly mutated to be better in distance running while Americans have got worse? We aren’t even remotely competitive anymore.

I’m one of the biggest fans of distance running and it’s not even fun anymore watching all these Africans run seemingly impossible times knowing something isn’t right.

There have been a gazillion threads about PED suspicions and they're extremely boring. Just assume everyone cheats and focus on performances instead.

How are they going to run 5000m within a 10000m at 15 minute pace when none of them or very few are currently capable of running sub 15 fresh in good conditions? Hassan can run in the 14:10s and all she did was to run 14:43-47, I think, for the second half off of 15:33. The other European runners should have been able to keep up for the first half, though.

psychological also wrote:

From 3600m to 8600m, the seven women I stated raced that portion in about 15 minutes. I am not discussing the final 1600m. Are you telling me the US & European runners were physically unable to race at 15 minute pace for the 5000m from 3600m to 8600m?

Yes, most likely they were unable to do that under the conditions of last night. If you are in 31:00-31:10 shape you may not be able to run 30:00 pace for half of the race if you hope to finish or get your best result. Some runners are good with changing gears, others need fairly even pace for good results.

If you look at the result, of the ranks 7-14 all but three ran PBs and of the other three the Japanese ran a SB. So I am pretty sure these 6 did the best they could. As for the remainder, the two with the best SBs before, Huddle and Sisson very slightly underperformed (they didn't fail but one could have seen them ahead of Hall and Krumins). This could be that conditions at their SB in spring were far more favorable with a perfectly even pacing and cooler temperatures.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Breaking the records wrote:

What is it guys? Keystone esthers? Some new form of undetectable EPO?

Last night Sifan splits a 3:59 final 1500 (3 seconds off the American record in the stand alone 1500) in a race 6 times the distance (not in vaporflys) last week the Half marathon record gets crushed, today 3 men all run 2:03 or faster. So what is it ? These Africans are all doping or Africans have suddenly mutated to be better in distance running while Americans have got worse? We aren’t even remotely competitive anymore.

I’m one of the biggest fans of distance running and it’s not even fun anymore watching all these Africans run seemingly impossible times knowing something isn’t right.

There have been a gazillion threads about PED suspicions and they're extremely boring. Just assume everyone cheats and focus on performances instead.

So really they should be called "The World Cheating Championships"? I can see that pulling the fans.

Armstronglivs wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There have been a gazillion threads about PED suspicions and they're extremely boring. Just assume everyone cheats and focus on performances instead.

So really they should be called "The World Cheating Championships"? I can see that pulling the fans.

I said "assume" and not to rename the sport. My point is that the countless threads based on nothing but circumstantial evidence is tiresome.