Jackline Wambui, who ran 1:58 to win Kenyan champs, out of Worlds after refusing to take testosterone level test

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Obviously this is a delicate situation. But the one scenario the IAAF doesn't want is for an XY DSD woman to show up and win Worlds, only for it to later be revealed that she has hyperandrogenism. If that happens, it would be a PR disaster for the IAAF considering the lengths they've gone to to keep Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba, et. al. out of the 800.

That would be hilarious and probably serve them right...

Can you tell us more about this mandatory testosterone test? It must be a different situation from Coleman?

This is also great news for Ajee Wilson.

Yep, LRC always quick to deal "great news" for their USA doper faves.

IAAF's women's testosterone test only applies to 400m-1500m events. As mentioned in other thread posted today, Amanitou Seyni of Niger is not entered in the 400m, despite a 49.19 PB with a very strong finish, and where there appeared a real possibility for gold and certainly a medal.

Instead, Seyni has entered the 200m with a PB of only 22.89. Whether that is because Seyni didn't want to take the testosterone test or received adverse results is not public knowledge.

Also unknown, and to be seen, is whether the 22.89 PB is an actual indicator of Seyni's ability at 200m.

patriotism is the last refuge ... wrote:

This is also great news for Ajee Wilson.

Yep, LRC always quick to deal "great news" for their USA doper faves.

+1. The article is about TWO Kenyan women who refused T-tests to be pre-DQ'd, yet LRC Propaganda only reports one, and not mixed relayer Linda Kageha. Whom is that "great news" for?

Jonathan Gault wrote:

This is also great news for Ajee Wilson. When I saw Wambui's results from the Kenyan trials, I thought she immediately became Wilson's biggest threat for gold. Now she won't even be in Doha.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athletics-kenya-idUSKBN1W42KE

Upon hearing the news, Ajee immediately went out to celebrate by heading to Five Guys Burgers. “ Give me the usual”. Wilson said with a quick wink and a laugh.

Any relation to Margaret Wambui?

Runs in the family? wrote:

Any relation to Margaret Wambui?

Well l guess we can't really talk candidly about the "delicate situation".

High levels of testosterone may not because an athlete is DSD but because they are doped. With a Kenyan now you may well have a choice.

hahahahaha

Kenya = drug cheats, age cheats, gender cheats.

ya love to see it

Ajee for gold.

Is it standard procedure to ask a woman to take a testosterone level tests or was she targeted due to the initial "eye-test"?

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Is it standard procedure to ask a woman to take a testosterone level tests or was she targeted due to the initial "eye-test"?

Anyone who wants to compete as a chick has to prove they meet the standards.

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Is it standard procedure to ask a woman to take a testosterone level tests or was she targeted due to the initial "eye-test"?

The IAAF T limit of 5 nmol/L currently only applies to women with XY DSDs and hence it is unlikely that the Kenyans would ask a woman to take a T test unless they suspected they were intersex. It is extremely unlikely that a non-doping XX woman would have T above 5.

inthano wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Is it standard procedure to ask a woman to take a testosterone level tests or was she targeted due to the initial "eye-test"?

Anyone who wants to compete as a chick has to prove they meet the standards.

Only if the athlete in question wishes to compete on the track from W400m-W1500m.

Still unregulated in other events.

tgirl wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Is it standard procedure to ask a woman to take a testosterone level tests or was she targeted due to the initial "eye-test"?

The IAAF T limit of 5 nmol/L currently only applies to women with XY DSDs and hence it is unlikely that the Kenyans would ask a woman to take a T test unless they suspected they were intersex. It is extremely unlikely that a non-doping XX woman would have T above 5.

Sort of. The limit prescribed by the IAAF applies to all competitors in female competition but the only athletes who would be affected (aside from doped athletes) are DSD males. As you say, XX athletes would not have levels above the limit set by the IAAF, which was set higher than is typical for most XX women to allow for outliers (who would not normally exceed 3-4 nmls).

The fact that she wasn't tested is the reason Kenya as a nation should be kept out of the world championships. I'm fairly certain USADA has mandatory tests for anyone qualifying for worlds.

Armstronglivs wrote:

High levels of testosterone may not because an athlete is DSD but because they are doped. With a Kenyan now you may well have a choice.

Hey why not both...go SuperSaiyan

joedirt wrote:

The fact that she wasn't tested is the reason Kenya as a nation should be kept out of the world championships. I'm fairly certain USADA has mandatory tests for anyone qualifying for worlds.

You think if an individual from the USA refused to be tested it would make sense to remove the entire USA team or maybe, just maybe, remove that individual?

Anyway, here is the only photo I can find of Linda Kahega. Her bests on IAAF show a 52.52 400 and 38.17 for discus.

Armstronglivs wrote:

tgirl wrote:

The IAAF T limit of 5 nmol/L currently only applies to women with XY DSDs and hence it is unlikely that the Kenyans would ask a woman to take a T test unless they suspected they were intersex. It is extremely unlikely that a non-doping XX woman would have T above 5.

Sort of. The limit prescribed by the IAAF applies to all competitors in female competition but the only athletes who would be affected (aside from doped athletes) are DSD males. As you say, XX athletes would not have levels above the limit set by the IAAF, which was set higher than is typical for most XX women to allow for outliers (who would not normally exceed 3-4 nmls).

You are describing the old hyperandrogenism rules, as they applied to all women. The newer DSD rules only apply to those with certain intersex conditions.

We are probably talking at cross-purposes here. The rules for eligibility apply to all, according to principles of fairness, but the T-level rule will only affect DSD males because XX competitors cannot naturally have T levels above 5nml, and that includes XX females who are hypoandrogenic. So, yes, the rules explicitly target DSD males competing as females.