Will a non-African ever hold a world record 3000M and up?

I got two words for ya buddy. Jim Walmsley

I've got another two words for you, Paula Radcliffe. Others that might? Jager could get the steeple WR, not likely but also not impossible. J. Ingebristen seems like a possibility. Klosterhalfen has a shot in the 5k, again not likely but possible.

Will a non-African (or someone not of African descent) ever hold a WR in the 3000m and down?

Non Africans have held all the records.

Are Moroccans considered African?

Whatdathiml wrote:

I think not. Discuss.

Simply put, NO!

Never with strict testing and the ABP in play these days.

Yes. Bolivians and Peruvians, maybe in 50/60 years. When European coaches and agents arrive to Andes Mountains and see their potential.

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Whatdathiml wrote:

I think not. Discus.

I think the better question is will a person that is not of African descent ever hold any running records — on the men’s side.

On the women’s side, sanctioned doping has corrupted their records.

Clarify pls wrote:

Are Moroccans considered African?

Arabs/Berbers

Whatdathiml wrote:

I think not. Discus.

Yes, you are probably right. Even though the current Discus records are both held by Germans, the best mark is a mere 74 meters. They say the last 2926 meters are the toughest.

1500, mile, 3000, two-mile, 5000, 10,000, steeplechase are all un-breakable.

EPO is a helluva drug. Modern EPO cheats have come close, on a couple very rare occasions, but they were unable to max out on EPO, and go undetected, the same way Geb, Komen, El G, Ngeny, Tergat, Lagat, Bekele, etc were all doing.

Aside from a brand new and undectable drug being developed, those records will never be broken.

But then as I was about to post my thoughts, I wondered to myself, what about the like of Dibaba, Ayana, and Chepkoech? They're all maxed on EPO and getting away with it. Why couldn't someone else.

So then I guess the answer is still no, but I may have to rescind my previous opinion that those records are unbreakable as it is.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Will a non-African (or someone not of African descent) ever hold a WR in the 3000m and down?

Women's 400h, 800 and 3000

possibly soon men's 400h too

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Bad Wigins wrote:

[quote]Lenny Leonard wrote:

Will a non-African (or someone not of African descent) ever hold a WR in the 3000m and down?

Women's 400h, 800 and 3000[/quote]Now way!...are you kidding me Wigins? The 3000 WR is held by Wang Junxia at 8:06.11, which is more than likely rocket-fueled given the doping suspicions of the Chinese back then. Lol. It was set in 93 where there was no EPO test and an athlete could dope with impunity.

The fastest time since 93 is Hassan's performance this year, which at 8:18 is a whopping 12 seconds slower. In fact, the next four fastest times after Junxia (all set in 93) are those of her teammates as part of that famous Ma's Army (nothing to see there. Lol).

And 800 WR also looks unbeatable if neither Semenya nor Jelimo couldn't break it:

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The simple answer to the question is - "not without better drugs", because all the records are juiced.

An equivalent question might be - "could a Caucasian athlete ever hold the world record in the 100m?" (which hasn't occurred since Amin Hary in 1960). Same answer.

PED-Powered Performances wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Women's 400h, 800 and 3000

Now way!...are you kidding me Wigins? The 3000 WR is held by Wang Junxia at 8:06.11, which is more than likely rocket-fueled given the doping suspicions of the Chinese back then.

He isn't kidding - he just answered the question correctly, because Junxia is non-African.

400h is wrong though (held by Dalilah), but 400 m is still held by a German not of African descent.