I did a thread that was kind of the reciprocal of this a while back. Thinking of runners who did really well on what we would consider low volume. I’ll start.
Donavan Brazier-800 guy but still.
Peter Callahan- I remember Jason Vig saying he only ran like 40 MPW at one point and he made the Olympics or worlds for Belgium.
Hideaki Yamauchi- the guy who ran the Hoka 50 mile and 100k attempt- apparently he only does like 60s as an ultra guy.
Roger Bannister - 20 MPW + hill climbing.
Seb Coe - 50 MPW mainly 800m intervals.
Charlie Grice - 3:30 off of 30 MPW.
Daniel Komen once ran a 16 min 5k on the road after years of no running. Was only there to fire off the starting gun, but after that he decided to hop in.
Bernard Lagat! His competitors say to him are you even training Bernard????!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/3078642.stmthe knowledge room wrote:
Bernard Lagat! His competitors say to him are you even training Bernard????!!!!
Know Nothing wrote:
Roger Bannister - 20 MPW + hill climbing.
Seb Coe - 50 MPW mainly 800m intervals.
Charlie Grice - 3:30 off of 30 MPW.
I think Bannister did more than he said since it was seen as “ungentlemanly” do be doing a lot of volume
Banister theory wrote:
Know Nothing wrote:
Roger Bannister - 20 MPW + hill climbing.
Seb Coe - 50 MPW mainly 800m intervals.
Charlie Grice - 3:30 off of 30 MPW.
I think Bannister did more than he said since it was seen as “ungentlemanly” do be doing a lot of volume
So did Coe. As we found out, his reported mileage didn't include warmups, cooldowns, jogs between reps, easy days, nor anything else he didn't want to report.
"You can`t sell a long run" is a quote I`ve heard about Coe. Seb Coe the myth is all about low-mileage high intensity intervals, but in reality he did lots of mileage like fast long runs, progressive runs, threshold and so on...
Bob Kennedy?
Can you define low mileage?
I mean I know a semi-elite marathoner who runs 60-70 mpw and has run 2:14. Is that low enough and fast enough?
Pretty sure its been proven on these boards long ago that Coe ran a lot more than that.
No idea where you've got the idea that Grice runs 30mpw? Definitely not true though
Willy Lomilesman wrote:
Bob Kennedy?
Ran something like 13:15 off 60 mpw.
Justyn Knight supposedly ran 13:34 off 35 mpw
Doug Padilla ran like 13:15 off ~50-60mpw
Henry Marsh was running 8:10 steeples on similiar mileage
There are plenty of examples of people running well off low mileage. It is all about finding training that works for you. For some people that is 100mpw. For other lower mileage gets the job done.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Willy Lomilesman wrote:
Bob Kennedy?
Ran something like 13:15 off 60 mpw.
Justyn Knight supposedly ran 13:34 off 35 mpw
Doug Padilla ran like 13:15 off ~50-60mpw
Henry Marsh was running 8:10 steeples on similiar mileage
There are plenty of examples of people running well off low mileage. It is all about finding training that works for you. For some people that is 100mpw. For other lower mileage gets the job done.
I have the experience that all runners can succeed on low mileage ( up to less than 100mpw) . They only need to know how to best do the training.........there are many runners in history that did great times on just low mileage.....even all my runners I have coached in now 4 years time.
alsal wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/3078642.stmthe knowledge room wrote:
Bernard Lagat! His competitors say to him are you even training Bernard????!!!!
What came of the B Test?
Jim Spivey I think is one of the best examples with confirmed workouts and logs. He has posted on here years ago detailing his training and how it was 35-55mpw.
Had a pretty long career as well.
1:46
3:31
13:15
The focus should not be on mileage but more or less the ability to support workouts.
Lagat 60/70 mpw when he was a miler only, mentions multiple times he likes to do mile repeats under 4:30, if he couldn't he would continue to work on his strength. He is able to get to that level with only moderate mileage. He also mentions he likes to be able to run progression runs of 5-7 with the last 5K under 14:00min to know he is in shape. That is support for his specific track workouts.
Some people can get to that level of aerobic support on 40mpw, for Lagat it was 60/70 mpw others they need 100+.
Usain Bolt did very well on low mileage.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Willy Lomilesman wrote:
Bob Kennedy?
Ran something like 13:15 off 60 mpw.
Justyn Knight supposedly ran 13:34 off 35 mpw
Doug Padilla ran like 13:15 off ~50-60mpw
Henry Marsh was running 8:10 steeples on similiar mileage
There are plenty of examples of people running well off low mileage. It is all about finding training that works for you. For some people that is 100mpw. For other lower mileage gets the job done.
At what point of his career? Early college? I remember BK as a 40 mpw hs runner going 4:05 back in 80s but through most of his pro career was more like at 90-120 mile week.
For every good low mileage runner there are literally HUNDREDS of better high mileage runners.
Low mileage runners justify their laziness by pointing to the handful of elites that ran low mileage.
BK broiler wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
Ran something like 13:15 off 60 mpw.
Justyn Knight supposedly ran 13:34 off 35 mpw
Doug Padilla ran like 13:15 off ~50-60mpw
Henry Marsh was running 8:10 steeples on similiar mileage
There are plenty of examples of people running well off low mileage. It is all about finding training that works for you. For some people that is 100mpw. For other lower mileage gets the job done.
At what point of his career? Early college? I remember BK as a 40 mpw hs runner going 4:05 back in 80s but through most of his pro career was more like at 90-120 mile week.
The years when he was a 13:15 guy not a 12:58:) I want to say it was after 1992 where he gave the quote where 60mpw wasn't going to cut it anymore and he bumped it up. There were some logs posted about his 1996 training and it was a lot of 60-70 mpw during track season (more like 90-100 during base). Supposedly after 1996 he bumped up the mileage even more (120) when he was moving up to 10k and didn't do better. Course he was also getting old:)
1776 wrote:
Daniel Komen once ran a 16 min 5k on the road after years of no running. Was only there to fire off the starting gun, but after that he decided to hop in.
When was that?