What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
Completely appropriate for the women to be cooling down / hanging out in their sports bras at the venue.
justafan2 wrote:
Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
No.
justafan2 wrote:
Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
100% no
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
It absolutely is appropriate for the coach to do so. And coaches should do so.. It should be part of the team rules, so there are no misinterpretations.
DistanceCoach3kSt wrote:
But if any members of the team are uncomfortable with guys who may be creeping on them after the race, I’d be happy to give them a ride back to the hotel to get away from them. Just watching out for everyone.
Maybe this is your [failed] attempt at humor about sexual harrassment or worse, but I was asking a serious question about a real incident my daughter experienced. I was actually shocked that her (male) coach told her she was dressed "unprofessionally," which did not make any sense. No guys were "creeping on her" and I do not understand what is wrong with the poster who would "need to see pics" to decide.
If it was a rule that had ever been communicated to her, she would have abided by it.
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
Yes it's appropriate to ask, not because of the reason most people on here are thinking. Usually colleges want their teams cooling down wearing similar team-issued clothing and not every team gets team-issued sports bras. There are a lot of girls who wear off-brand bras because of superstition during races and they want to wear what's comfortable. So if you don't like that Adidas sports bra you have to wear, then you'll sneakily have your Nike apparel on underneath. In a case like that, the coach has every right to ask them to wear Adidas on the cool down. Otherwise the AD will come cracking down on them since the school might potentially get fined for not adhering to the school contract.
sadfdsafasdfas wrote:
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
Yes it's appropriate to ask, not because of the reason most people on here are thinking. Usually colleges want their teams cooling down wearing similar team-issued clothing and not every team gets team-issued sports bras. There are a lot of girls who wear off-brand bras because of superstition during races and they want to wear what's comfortable. So if you don't like that Adidas sports bra you have to wear, then you'll sneakily have your Nike apparel on underneath. In a case like that, the coach has every right to ask them to wear Adidas on the cool down. Otherwise the AD will come cracking down on them since the school might potentially get fined for not adhering to the school contract.
I meant to add, this probably only applies to D1 stuff. If it's any other division, who gives a crap?
Lars Sqweebles wrote:
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
It absolutely is appropriate for the coach to do so. And coaches should do so.. It should be part of the team rules, so there are no misinterpretations.
Thanks for chiming in, Ayatollah.
Go repress people elsewhere.
Is this really a thread? Are you still upset about the indecency of Brandi Chastain?
sadfdsafasdfas wrote:
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
Yes it's appropriate to ask, not because of the reason most people on here are thinking. Usually colleges want their teams cooling down wearing similar team-issued clothing and not every team gets team-issued sports bras. There are a lot of girls who wear off-brand bras because of superstition during races and they want to wear what's comfortable. So if you don't like that Adidas sports bra you have to wear, then you'll sneakily have your Nike apparel on underneath. In a case like that, the coach has every right to ask them to wear Adidas on the cool down. Otherwise the AD will come cracking down on them since the school might potentially get fined for not adhering to the school contract.
If this is the issue, the solution seems pretty simple: hand out team issued sports bras along with the massive pile of gear each athlete gets.
It seems like the athletes who ran for my school’s team were basically given a lifetime supply of running gear. If the team can hand each athlete three or four different competition uniforms, a dozen pairs of shorts, a couple pairs of running pants, jackets, tights, etc., I don’t think it would break the bank to throw a bra in there as well.
Not sure of the quality of program your daughter runs at but any program worth a dime, the women will be training in sports bras virtually every run - usually they will do their warm-up in a Dri-fit t’shirt and about 10 minutes into the warm-up the entire women’s team will be running in just sports bras and they remain in sports bras for the entire training session (2 hours). After the first week of training, the men are so use to it it is like second nature and there are no issues. Plus, I always have a team meeting with the guys and the girls separately at the beginning of the year before the first group session discussing many things but there is a very serious discussion about making anyone feel uncomfortable as they understand both genders train together at the same time
justafan2 wrote:
What are the rules, norms or perceptions about college women cooling down, eating, and/or socializing at the venue in their sports bras? Are there any NCAA rules or individual team guidelines? Does it seem appropriate for a coach to ask women to put shirts on?
I see no problem or issue with working out, racing, training, etc. in a sport bra. But why would they need or want to eat and socialize after they are done with their workout or race in just a sports bra? I see no reason not to require or ask the women to put on a shirt when they are eating, socializing, or hanging out.
DistaceCoach10k wrote:
After the first week of training, the men are so use to it it is like second nature and there are no issues.
Right because we are really worried about the men on this one. Wouldn't want them to have any "issues."
TF are you even talking about?
I have no opinion for this thread, but taking it a step further: Do coaches have the right to tell sprinters, field events, whoever, that they must wear sweats/warm-ups on a cold day during their warm-up and cool down? Extend your opinion to this situation.
As a high school coach I require athletes to wear school related t-shirts for warm-up and cool-down. They do not have to be the same or school issued but cannot be some random shirt. This may be the issue more than showing skin or some other unknown.
No matter the team rule or thoughts concerning the situation in this thread, expectations should be clearly defined, shared with parents, and open for discussion long before a meet situation.
Ultra Runner Chick wrote:
I see no problem or issue with working out, racing, training, etc. in a sport bra. But why would they need or want to eat and socialize after they are done with their workout or race in just a sports bra? I see no reason not to require or ask the women to put on a shirt when they are eating, socializing, or hanging out.
Because requiring the women to put a shirt on is SEXIST! If guys don't wear a sports bra after practise, neither should the women!
justafan2 wrote:
DistanceCoach3kSt wrote:
But if any members of the team are uncomfortable with guys who may be creeping on them after the race, I’d be happy to give them a ride back to the hotel to get away from them. Just watching out for everyone.
Maybe this is your [failed] attempt at humor about sexual harrassment or worse, but I was asking a serious question about a real incident my daughter experienced. I was actually shocked that her (male) coach told her she was dressed "unprofessionally," which did not make any sense. No guys were "creeping on her" and I do not understand what is wrong with the poster who would "need to see pics" to decide.
If it was a rule that had ever been communicated to her, she would have abided by it.
Sir, this is letsrun.com.
simple fix wrote:
sadfdsafasdfas wrote:
Yes it's appropriate to ask, not because of the reason most people on here are thinking. Usually colleges want their teams cooling down wearing similar team-issued clothing and not every team gets team-issued sports bras. There are a lot of girls who wear off-brand bras because of superstition during races and they want to wear what's comfortable. So if you don't like that Adidas sports bra you have to wear, then you'll sneakily have your Nike apparel on underneath. In a case like that, the coach has every right to ask them to wear Adidas on the cool down. Otherwise the AD will come cracking down on them since the school might potentially get fined for not adhering to the school contract.
If this is the issue, the solution seems pretty simple: hand out team issued sports bras along with the massive pile of gear each athlete gets.
It seems like the athletes who ran for my school’s team were basically given a lifetime supply of running gear. If the team can hand each athlete three or four different competition uniforms, a dozen pairs of shorts, a couple pairs of running pants, jackets, tights, etc., I don’t think it would break the bank to throw a bra in there as well.
It's not that simple. Not every team gets "lifetime supplies" and yes, it is expensive depending how big the team is. It may "seem" the way you think but it is not that way.
Shirtlessness is an essential part of cross country. Your daughter's coach is disrespecting the tradition of the sport. He should be fired.
justafan2 wrote:
DistanceCoach3kSt wrote:
But if any members of the team are uncomfortable with guys who may be creeping on them after the race, I’d be happy to give them a ride back to the hotel to get away from them. Just watching out for everyone.
Maybe this is your [failed] attempt at humor about sexual harrassment or worse, but I was asking a serious question about a real incident my daughter experienced. I was actually shocked that her (male) coach told her she was dressed "unprofessionally," which did not make any sense. No guys were "creeping on her" and I do not understand what is wrong with the poster who would "need to see pics" to decide.
If it was a rule that had ever been communicated to her, she would have abided by it.
In this PC world that we live in, no sane guy would creep on her in a public setting.
It’s probably fair to say, however, that she will be silently objectified by more than just a few. If you or she are okay with that, then by all means strut around half naked.