Let's end the mileage debate once and for all

Everyone is different and their sweet spot as far as mileage will be different for everyone. End of thread.

The thread continues.......

Everyone is not so different as we might think.Everyone can succeed on relatively low mileage, but there is a must to know

how to best do it.

No, just no. Slow vs fast twitch runner mileage requirements will be different.

"Let's end the mileage debate once and for all"

Let's not.

Nope, this debate will never be ended once and for all.

- As a general rule the more you run the better you will be.

- Some runners show minimal improvement no matter the type of training (low responders).

- Some runners show dramatic improvement no matter the type of training (high responders).

- A good generalization is as the race distance increases more mileage in training is required.

- Some runners are inclined to injury as mileage increases, other runners are inclined to injury as intensity increases.

- The secret to success is consistent training with minimal interruption from injury. This is accomplished by proper training and recovery, and the athlete's natural talent for avoiding injury.

Mileage makes champs wrote:

No, just no. Slow vs fast twitch runner mileage requirements will be different.

No, the mileage requirements will not be different, but the paces will be.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Mileage makes champs wrote:

No, just no. Slow vs fast twitch runner mileage requirements will be different.

No, the mileage requirements will not be different, but the paces will be.

Strongly disagree.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Mileage makes champs wrote:

No, just no. Slow vs fast twitch runner mileage requirements will be different.

No, the mileage requirements will not be different, but the paces will be.

That won't work for slow twitch runners who need higher mileage at a slower pace. While fast twitch runners need less miles at a faster pace.

Nearly all elites do the same thing: high mileage and 80% easy, 20% intense running.

Higher mileage boosts mitochondria density, grows more capillaries, increases heart stroke volume, increases fat utilization, improves running economy, releases hormones that cause fatigue resistance.

Really the optimal mileage for any runner is the maximum possible amount they can recover from. If you go too high, you overtrain and screw up your hormones, or you just get injured. Too low, and you could be getting more training stimulus than what you are presently getting.

It`s a common mistake to believe that slow twitch runners need higher mileage at a slower pace and fast twitch runners need less miles at a a faster pace.What they both need is enough mileage and exact best individual paces to reach their goals.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

It`s a common mistake to believe that slow twitch runners need higher mileage at a slower pace and fast twitch runners need less miles at a a faster pace.What they both need is enough mileage and exact best individual paces to reach their goals.

And that will depend of their physical make up.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

It`s a common mistake to believe that slow twitch runners need higher mileage at a slower pace and fast twitch runners need less miles at a a faster pace.What they both need is enough mileage and exact best individual paces to reach their goals.

I disagree.

Usain Bolt and Galen Rupp obviously needed to train differently because they are in different events and have different body types.

Even in training for the same event, such as the 1500, a runner like Donavan Braizier (a 800/1500 type) is going to train differently than Matthew Centrowitz (a 1500/5000 type).

Was that really supposed to end the "debate"?

quick thoughts on mileage wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

It`s a common mistake to believe that slow twitch runners need higher mileage at a slower pace and fast twitch runners need less miles at a a faster pace.What they both need is enough mileage and exact best individual paces to reach their goals.

I disagree.

Usain Bolt and Galen Rupp obviously needed to train differently because they are in different events and have different body types.

Even in training for the same event, such as the 1500, a runner like Donavan Braizier (a 800/1500 type) is going to train differently than Matthew Centrowitz (a 1500/5000 type).

Can second that. There were 2 legendary threads here on LR back in the days where Hadd and Cabral discussed the training of Mamede (FT 10k guy) and Lopes (ST 10k guy). Totally different approach and training, yet both dominated the event.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Nearly all elites do the same thing: high mileage and 80% easy, 20% intense running.

Higher mileage boosts mitochondria density, grows more capillaries, increases heart stroke volume, increases fat utilization, improves running economy, releases hormones that cause fatigue resistance.

Really the optimal mileage for any runner is the maximum possible amount they can recover from. If you go too high, you overtrain and screw up your hormones, or you just get injured. Too low, and you could be getting more training stimulus than what you are presently getting.

There is an upper limit how much mileage you can take before breakdown enters with injuries and over-training as a result. Most elite runners balances on that edge instead of doing just enough what it takes to reach the goal. Smart mileage also boost mitochondria density, grows more capillaries,increase heart stroke volume , increases fat utilization, improves running economy, releases hormones that cause fatigue resistance , but with reduced risk of injury and over-training.

It's much easier to overtrain via intervals than it is mileage. A lot more careers were ended early due to too much intervals and not jogging too much.

Mamede and Lopez trained under the same coach Monitz Pereira during "The Portuguese wonder" era, and with the same basic system. It will not give a correct picture to say they trained with a totally different approach , the only significant difference were the individual paces they used in the workouts.

How do you change your training plan for slow and fast twitch runners? Come to think of it, how to you know which someone is?

I thought your plan stays almost the same for everyone at every distance.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Mamede and Lopez trained under the same coach Monitz Pereira during "The Portuguese wonder" era, and with the same basic system. It will not give a correct picture to say they trained with a totally different approach , the only significant difference were the individual paces they used in the workouts.

Give a link to anything that supports your claim.

Yes they had the same coach, but your claim they did the same training at different individual paces is not true.