Lewandowski 1:43!! Whaat?

he was very fast at Euros last year and almost caught JI. he started his sprint a bit too late. Even Cheruiyot should be worried.

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

Well...he blitzed Jakob in the Euro Indoors this year.

Fruity wrote:

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

Well...he blitzed Jakob in the Euro Indoors this year.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

A fast 800 by itself doesn't suggest a huge 1500m kick in a slow race. But if you're primarily a 1500m runner who shows a great 800m, I'd say it does suggest a fast kick in a slow race.

In other words, you cant take an 800m specialist with a 1:43 pr and expect a great 1500m kick. But if you discover a 1500m specialist can run 1:43, I'd definitely expect a strong kick from him.

Well, it shows that he will be a serious threat in a slower 1500m if he positions himself close enough to the lead on the last lap.

....which happens in about 90% of all championship races..

At 32 yrs old, and just a 1/4 second off his PR

YMMV wrote:

Fruity wrote:

Well...he blitzed Jakob in the Euro Indoors this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH8ng2MYLPg

Clearly that poster didn't know that right now Lewandowski is the most underrated middle distance runner in the world.

Polish system is very similar to Lydiard. He has been quoted as saying he runs 100, 110+ MPW during the winter. Due to the winters in Poland they do more running in nature/fartlek during the winter time. And he is very strong:

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/Spikes/ecb704e6-5e35-409c-89b5-87a246479cf0.png?v=1493827282

Reminds me of Peter Snell.

Big fan of Lewandowski. It’s awesome to see his longevity in the sport paying off well. He’s definitely someone I could see stealing a medal at worlds/running people down in the last 100. I wonder if he’ll do the 8/15 double again or just stick to the 15.

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

A fast 800 by itself doesn't suggest a huge 1500m kick in a slow race. But if you're primarily a 1500m runner who shows a great 800m, I'd say it does suggest a fast kick in a slow race.

In other words, you cant take an 800m specialist with a 1:43 pr and expect a great 1500m kick. But if you discover a 1500m specialist can run 1:43, I'd definitely expect a strong kick from him.

So Asbel Kiprop who ran 1:43/3:26 should have smoked no speed Centrowitz in a 3:50 1500.

Star wrote:

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

A fast 800 by itself doesn't suggest a huge 1500m kick in a slow race. But if you're primarily a 1500m runner who shows a great 800m, I'd say it does suggest a fast kick in a slow race.

In other words, you cant take an 800m specialist with a 1:43 pr and expect a great 1500m kick. But if you discover a 1500m specialist can run 1:43, I'd definitely expect a strong kick from him.

So Asbel Kiprop who ran 1:43/3:26 should have smoked no speed Centrowitz in a 3:50 1500.

Kiprop had only 1:45 ability in the 800 in 2016. Centro had 1:44 ability. You're welcome.

Star wrote:

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

A fast 800 by itself doesn't suggest a huge 1500m kick in a slow race. But if you're primarily a 1500m runner who shows a great 800m, I'd say it does suggest a fast kick in a slow race.

In other words, you cant take an 800m specialist with a 1:43 pr and expect a great 1500m kick. But if you discover a 1500m specialist can run 1:43, I'd definitely expect a strong kick from him.

So Asbel Kiprop who ran 1:43/3:26 should have smoked no speed Centrowitz in a 3:50 1500.

Centro hasn't focused on the 800m as a championship event, so we don't know his real ability. Kiprop has tried to be an 800m/1500m runner for most of his career. He's run the 800m as his championship event. Despite that, Centro's PR in the 800m is only a second behind Kiprop.

So no, I wouldn't expect Kiprop to smoke Centro. I'd expect it to be a toss up in a really slow race and come down to who did a better job of reaching that race without injuries, etc. to hurt their training that year.

In 2016, Centro closed in just under 50.

Kiprop had a bad race in 2016, but he isnt Centro's better in a kick race, because Centro is a better 800m runner than he appears from his PR, probably about the same level as Kiprop if he focused on it in championship season.

Also, Kiprop came into Rio preparing to be as fast as possible in the 1500. Centro came in knowing his only hope was a slow kicking race, so he focused in training for that specifically. It couldn't have been more lucky for Centro. In a fast paced race, they'd probably have reversed positions.

Star wrote:

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

A fast 800 by itself doesn't suggest a huge 1500m kick in a slow race. But if you're primarily a 1500m runner who shows a great 800m, I'd say it does suggest a fast kick in a slow race.

In other words, you cant take an 800m specialist with a 1:43 pr and expect a great 1500m kick. But if you discover a 1500m specialist can run 1:43, I'd definitely expect a strong kick from him.

So Asbel Kiprop who ran 1:43/3:26 should have smoked no speed Centrowitz in a 3:50 1500.

Yes. Absolutely he should have. Kiprop ran one of the worst races tactically in Olympic history. On the flip side, Centro ran very intelligently. Talent doesn’t always win. It SHOULD, but doesn’t.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

Are we suggesting that 800m speed correlates to kicking in a 1500m? The 800m is a severely more anearobic event leading to positive splits. This does not correlate well to a 1500m especially a slow race when endurance becomes key to allow for drastically picking up the pace over the last 600m or so, in a huge negative split fashion. Has Lewendowski ever shown great 1500m kicking prowess?

Yeah, I have never understood the assumption people have that someone who's run a fast 800 is automatically going to have a great kick at 1500. The races are totally different requiring different skills. 1500 guys used to negative splitting who can run 51 on the last lap of a 1500 have a hard time positive splitting and going out in 51 in an 800. Guys like Centro are like that. If 800 correlated with kicking in a 1500, then Murphy with his 1:42 speed should have the fastest last lap of pretty much any 1500 runner but he's just average on the last lap. No faster than pure 1500 runners.

Tagged along in third by .6

This gets you hard?

mileage makes champs wrote:

Polish system is very similar to Lydiard. He has been quoted as saying he runs 100, 110+ MPW during the winter. Due to the winters in Poland they do more running in nature/fartlek during the winter time. And he is very strong:

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/Spikes/ecb704e6-5e35-409c-89b5-87a246479cf0.png?v=1493827282

Reminds me of Peter Snell.

A 30 year old with braces - shades of Santa Monica Track Club in the 80's.......

Centro closed in 50.xx he did not break 50 in his last lap in Rio. Nobody in the race did. Centro didn’t even have the fastest last lap but he had the best positioning and was probably the only guy to run 400m that last lap.