It's ridiculous to advise someone in this dangerous heat wave you can run the same workout just slow it down

A friend of mine nearly died from heat stroke the night after a hot track workout. He did permanent damage to his liver.

I had heat exhaustion after a similar hot evening workout. Fortunately, I recognized the symptoms earlier than he did, but even so, my ability to run in hot weather has been permanently impaired.

You can die from heat stroke. Be smart and survive to run another day.

fisky wrote:

A friend of mine nearly died from heat stroke the night after a hot track workout. He did permanent damage to his liver.

I had heat exhaustion after a similar hot evening workout. Fortunately, I recognized the symptoms earlier than he did, but even so, my ability to run in hot weather has been permanently impaired.

You can die from heat stroke. Be smart and survive to run another day.

Thanks,I just don't like seeing people keep giving bad advice. Some of the most highly-trained athletes can can be whittled down to nothing in the heat. You might remember Ed Eyestone in the 1996 Olympic Trials where he just couldn't go anymore, he actually did the same thing at the USA road 10k Championships in 1995 and he was in position to do very well in both of those races with about a half a mile to go. It is just bad advice to tell people slow down and you will be ok because some people can't handle it, and it doesn't make them weak.

Why won't you place blame on those who are asking for advice but won't post details about the severity of the heat?

The advice to slow down is a good one. Common sense should not be spelled out for the lowest common denominator.

I run daily when the temp is still 95+. I've done it for decades. It's a question of aclimitization. That and starting slowly. For me it's like running in winter, it takes 20—30 to really loosen up. Then I can go hard.

Dkdkdkdk wrote:

Why won't you place blame on those who are asking for advice but won't post details about the severity of the heat?

The advice to slow down is a good one. Common sense should not be spelled out for the lowest common denominator.

+1

back woods wrote:

I run daily when the temp is still 95+. I've done it for decades. It's a question of aclimitization. That and starting slowly. For me it's like running in winter, it takes 20—30 to really loosen up. Then I can go hard.

Yeah, but what is the heat index fool? Let's hear how you feel after a few weeks of 117 heat index weather.

Pure foolishness wrote:

If you live in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, or Mississippi, you should not take their advice because they are probably in Boston, Seattle, or somewhere like that.

I live in Alabama. Of course it is hot down here, but it is not a heat wave. 88 farenheit and 88 percent humidity are expected conditions in July.

I don't know anyone in my running community that is doing anything different than any other summer.

The rest of the country may be having a heat wave, but hot and wet is normal here. I'm pretty sure will manage; but thanks for the concern.

Heat index wrote:

back woods wrote:

I run daily when the temp is still 95+. I've done it for decades. It's a question of aclimitization. That and starting slowly. For me it's like running in winter, it takes 20—30 to really loosen up. Then I can go hard.

Yeah, but what is the heat index fool? Let's hear how you feel after a few weeks of 117 heat index weather.

He will probably feel normal.

Yellow Hammer wrote:

I live in Alabama. Of course it is hot down here, but it is not a heat wave. 88 farenheit and 88 percent humidity are expected conditions in July.

Nonsense. That puts the Dew Point at 85° which would be very rare in the US.

I'd say about 99% of the time you CAN do the same workout in the heat, if you adjust your pace appropriately. That's not "crazy advice" at all. It's smart to cut short an 8 mile run early if you know you've overdone it, but all you're really saying there is that you screwed up and chose the wrong pace in the first place.

Also, your advice to people is southern states is exactly backwards (unless they are just visiting). Athletes who are acclimated to the heat day in/day out are much more likely to choose the correct paces based on experience.

Indeed. The OP is the only one posting pure foolishness and really should think things through before coming across as a know-it-all.

Please tell this to the people that die every year because they follow this advice. Hey quite a few major races we're called this weekend. Why???

Indeed, wrote:

Indeed. The OP is the only one posting pure foolishness and really should think things through before coming across as a know-it-all.

Did you see the New York Triathlon was cancelled? Exactly my point!

Coolest place I've ever mived is Alabama. I'm accustomed to running in the heat. For me sub 40 is much less pleasant than 95. I sweat a lot and that probably helps. If it feels too hot I still go hard but controlled. Maybe 12 hills instead of 16.

The health risks are alway there — idiots who push themselves more than their preparation permits will always be at risk, whatever the conditions.

back woods wrote:

I run daily when the temp is still 95+. I've done it for decades. It's a question of aclimitization. That and starting slowly. For me it's like running in winter, it takes 20—30 to really loosen up. Then I can go hard.

Y ou're my hero.

malmo wrote:

Yellow Hammer wrote:

I live in Alabama. Of course it is hot down here, but it is not a heat wave. 88 farenheit and 88 percent humidity are expected conditions in July.

Nonsense. That puts the Dew Point at 85° which would be very rare in the US.

Here is the national weather map for Dew Points. It's extremely bad yet 88°/88% (or 85° Dew Point) doesn't exist.

Hey, I tried to warn the IAAF about the oppressive heat at the 2007 XC WC in Mombassa. I even sent Helmut an email to warn him. Here is zee komplete email.

malmo wrote:

''The vice-president of the International Association of Athletics Federations, Helmut Diegel, has suggested that had they been aware of the potential for temperatures in the mid-30s coupled with high humidity then the championships would not have been awarded to Mombasa.''

Dear Helmut,

Helmut, zeez ball ist zee vurld, unt zeez flashenlightengerbobbinmachiner ist zee sun. Zucken here Hulmut, zoo kan zee zat zee vurld eez zee on tilt, zo ven zee vurld goze roundz zee sun zee rays from zee flashenlightengerbobbinmachiner eez zumtimez unt direkt untopz ofz zee Kenya and zumtimez eez nicht untopz of zee Kenya. March unt Septemberz hast zee sun direktz untopz ofz zee Kenya. Ven deez ist zee case, eez zehr heist unt humidzschlangerhotzengedrippenz unt eez nicht zehr gut timez fur zee Grassenhillerspielerchampionshippenzeevurlder.

Regardz,

Herr malmo

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Step outside between Rocky Mountains and eastern mountain ranges. Up and down the Mississippi River, hot and humid. Just Saturday in Africa where there is no elevation. This is the reason, Africans not near mountains are not fast in events 3000m and longer.

I live in SW FL and have lived in various parts of FL since 1990. You can train in the summer, but you must be smart. Do most of your runs eithet early in the morning or in the evenings. Differences between running in low to mid 80's than low to mid 90's. Avoid running between 11:00 AM to 7:00PM if possible or anywhere near this time period. Even though 11 AM isn't the end running at this time, but it gets hotter every few minutes.

If you do have to run in thisntime frame, keep your runs short. 30 min max. A lot of runners I know do doubles to avoid being beaten up by the heat. Drink a lot of water. Never mind Sports Drinks, water is your friend. It isn't a bad idea to cross train in the summer as well. Swimming or riding the bike a couple of days a week will be just as effective as any easy or recovery day. Try to avoid the roads andrubberized tracks for most of your runs. When it gets hot, these surfaces get hotter. And ypu will laugh at mu last piece of advice, but try either sitting in the hot tub or sitting in the shpwer for about 5-7 minutes. This loosen the muscles and temporarily cools the body down. Seriously. Give it a try for a week before you and see if ot makes a difference. Hope this helps.