Asking from across the pond - what's the latest factual stuff on NOP / Salazar

This is not the right place to look for "factual stuff"

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test...

the juice is still flowing.

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a28381415/sifan-hassan-breaks-mile-world-record/

So, nothing to report then? No rumblings of an imminent report due?

Nah the only rumblings of information about the investigation are just crap that the cry baby Gouchers make up.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Nah the only rumblings of information about the investigation are just crap that the cry baby Gouchers make up.

+1

A bunch of bitter, ungrateful former athletes and a coach who benefitted from the NOP ... turned “whistleblower” after their careers were over. Ever wonder why no one said a damned thing while the checks were clearing?

@OP what’s the latest on Mo Farah? Test dodging, fist fighting, gossip queen, globE trotting POster child of British Athletics?

larkimm wrote:

So, nothing to report then? No rumblings of an imminent report due?

Correct. Remember it's USADA we are talking about: all bark, no bite.

(Unless a case about a retiree gets hand-delivered by the feds)

casual obsever wrote:

larkimm wrote:

So, nothing to report then? No rumblings of an imminent report due?

Correct. Remember it's USADA we are talking about: all bark, no bite.

(Unless a case about a retiree gets hand-delivered by the feds)

Justin Gatlin

Lashawn Merritt

Tyson Gay

But you're right, USADA doesn't bust anyone noteworthy.

I haven't seen anything since USADA's attempt to compel Dr. Brown's records apparently failed, and the IAAF submission with all the L-Carnitine details was leaked. USADA was first tipped off in Dec. 2012, so the increased scrutiny on NOP has lasted almost 7 years. The anti-doping principle of not commenting on on-going investigations, until a guilty finding, and leaving investigations open forever, suggests that if we have not heard anything by now, we likely never will. It's unlikely that any "retired" athlete will come forth, as as many as 17 (or 19?) former NOP athletes and staff have already been interviewed by USADA. It is indeed unfortunate then that BBC Panorama/Propublica went public with as little as they did, unable to show that any athlete, or staff, had done something that could be considered an ADRV, as this publicly raised questions where ADOs have a best practice policy of not responding unless and until any parties are found guilty. USADA is unlikely to issue any declaration of innocence (in line with a presumption of innocent until proven guilty) or a position statement to the BBC Panaorama/Propublica allegations. (Similarly, the WADA IC investigated the IAAF's role in "Russian collusion", but stopped short of issuing corrections of any misstatements that appeared in the media.)

You forgot Lance.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Correct. Remember it's USADA we are talking about: all bark, no bite.

(Unless a case about a retiree gets hand-delivered by the feds)

Justin Gatlin

Lashawn Merritt

Tyson Gay

But you're right, USADA doesn't bust anyone noteworthy.

A resolution is coming very, very soon*.

*Soon meaning some vague point in time in the distant future.

rekrunner wrote:

You forgot Lance.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Justin Gatlin

Lashawn Merritt

Tyson Gay

But you're right, USADA doesn't bust anyone noteworthy.

I think "(Unless a case about a retiree gets hand-delivered by the feds)" was referring to Lance.

It's very unsatisfactory isn't it? I am guilty of being a Farah fanboy, and as such I'm invested in Salazar being on the right side of the grey areas, but what I want is for this whole saga to be ended. Given how much is in the public domain through the Propublica stuff etc, you'd have thought that there was at least some potential for USADA to say "We have concluded our investigations into the matters raised by the BBC / Propublica documentaries and there will be no further action unless new information is presented" rather than just remain tight lipped (much as I agree in principle they should not publicly declare innocence). Because in this case, the presumption for a substantial number of followers of athletics / sport is not one of innocence, it's of guilt.

Whilst there'll alwasy be those who are hugely cynical and unconvinced of anyone's innocence, it would be good to re-dress that balance so that if Salazar actually is a damned fine coach, that some of the best talents in the world feel free to associate with him without being tagged as guilty by association.

I agree with your post. It’s a shame it’s gone on this long.

One thing I will add is that the group continues to get better and better. And they continue to get the top athletes in the World. So either they are so brash in their cheating that they don’t care about being under all the added scrutiny and watch OR there was never anything there illegal in the first place and they continue to operate in the same successful manner. I think if we all take off our blinders this is the most likely option. Plus you would have to also assume all these new athletes, there have been many, are cheating or are ok with cheating by joining. I know Craig and can tell you there is no chance in hell he would stay there if there was anything shady going on.

Agreeith wrote:

One thing I will add is that the group continues to get better and better. And they continue to get the top athletes in the World. So either they are so brash in their cheating that they don’t care about being under all the added scrutiny and watch OR there was never anything there illegal in the first place and they continue to operate in the same successful manner. I think if we all take off our blinders this is the most likely option. Plus you would have to also assume all these new athletes, there have been many, are cheating or are ok with cheating by joining. I know Craig and can tell you there is no chance in hell he would stay there if there was anything shady going on.

I must admit that that's my interpretation too - I know cynics will suggest they are "hiding in plain sight", and that "Nike is so powerful they won't ever be sanctioned", but that just feels like conspiracy theories gone too far. For all that I'm sure Nike is a powerful influence in athletics, I'm equally sure that if they had any concerns that their brand reputation would get damaged by revelations or findings in relation to NOP they'd simply gradually and quietly be reducing their funding, or finding a way for Al Sal to be retired.

It may be very naive to suggest that athletes like Hassan wouldn't have gone there if they were suspicious about doping, and we have to take at least some of what Magness and the Gouchers have said about what they experienced at face value, but with all of that evidence (such that it is) so readily available and accessible to USADA, for me the fact that they haven't yet sanctioned anyone strongly suggests they never will. And I don't accept any arguments that say that USADA is so deep in the pockets of Nike that they are protected. If that's the case, the the US has a bigger problem than Russia did!!

Probably the same as Jama Aden

Probably using keystone drinks at huge cost but with u to 15% improvement in performance. Uka and UK cycling were definitely doing work with these in the run up to 2012. Would explain Froome, Farah and Co.

Keystone?

Nah, Engels is more of a Busch Light guy.

Ketone