To those who say ALL elites are doping, what exactly are they on?

Peds seem very popular these days .

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

Devil Dog wrote:

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

those times weren't done on micro dosages. OP, look up Actovegin.

Just one example of legal PEDs.

Devil Dog wrote:

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

If that's true, how are athletes from the US getting their hands on EPO without leaving a paper trail? Cash payments in an alleyway?

More specifically, I would like to know where to get the stuff and how much it costs. And, if not too much trouble, also a basic summary of how to take the stuff. Plz respond...

Devil Dog wrote:

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

El G, Bekele, and Komen were certainly not micro dosing.

El G retired in 2004 to avoid the new EPO tests. But even when they were first introduced they were pretty useless by all accounts. For a large part of El G's career, EPO wasn't even illegal.

Even if Bekele was having to microdose from as early as 2005, he'd had years of the benefits of being able to train while on full throttle EPO.

I don’t know what they’re using but I assume they spend time figuring out how to game the system. I’ve always sort of figured that there were a few possibilities:

1. Microdosing

2. Timing (which is why we hear crazy stories about how guys like the former world number 1 avoided out of competition tests)

3. New substances (the White, etc)

4. Not-yet-banned substances (thyroid medication, weight loss supplements maybe)

5. Altering the test results through outright fraud (Russian competitors)

6. Maybe homologous blood transfusions? Seems better for cycling though...

1) EPO is not an illegal drug, not is it one synthesized in a meth shack. It is obtainable on the open market.

2) Would it surprise you to find out that NIKE has methods of acquiring and distributing EPO to their athletes, looking the other way, and covering up the trail?

3) Look at the Jama Aden group. Caught red handed. Yet nothing has ever happened.

ponderer of small puddles wrote:

More specifically, I would like to know where to get the stuff and how much it costs. And, if not too much trouble, also a basic summary of how to take the stuff. Plz respond...

So this thread is actual proof of the harmful effect of the 'everybody dopes' mantra. Sounds like you're a sub-elite American who has been convinced that 'everybody dopes' and you're actually seeking info on how to join them.

Coevett wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

El G, Bekele, and Komen were certainly not micro dosing.

El G retired in 2004 to avoid the new EPO tests. But even when they were first introduced they were pretty useless by all accounts. For a large part of El G's career, EPO wasn't even illegal.

Even if Bekele was having to microdose from as early as 2005, he'd had years of the benefits of being able to train while on full throttle EPO.

Oh I know he wasn't microdosing. There's no doubt he and his contemporaries were macrodosing. That's why modern runners have had to turn to microdosing.

In the largest anti-doping bust in history, authorities uncovered 17 organized crime groups, shut down nine underground labs and seized 24 tonnes of steroid powder.

Coevett wrote:

ponderer of small puddles wrote:

More specifically, I would like to know where to get the stuff and how much it costs. And, if not too much trouble, also a basic summary of how to take the stuff. Plz respond...

So this thread is actual proof of the harmful effect of the 'everybody dopes' mantra. Sounds like you're a sub-elite American who has been convinced that 'everybody dopes' and you're actually seeking info on how to join them.

WHOOSH.

Coevett wrote:

ponderer of small puddles wrote:

More specifically, I would like to know where to get the stuff and how much it costs. And, if not too much trouble, also a basic summary of how to take the stuff. Plz respond...

So this thread is actual proof of the harmful effect of the 'everybody dopes' mantra. Sounds like you're a sub-elite American who has been convinced that 'everybody dopes' and you're actually seeking info on how to join them.

I was joking. I was sub elite over a decade ago but coudn't even manage to find a coach, let alone figure out how to "dope" and with what. Unless someone spiked my creatine back in the day without me knowing...

ACTUAL proof? Nah.

But....on the other hand...if you know of a supplier....

ponderer of ponds wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Micro dosing EPO is almost impossible to detect. It made times like 3:26, 7:20, and 12:37 possible. Knowing those two facts, I'd guess that most dopers still use EPO.

If that's true, how are athletes from the US getting their hands on EPO without leaving a paper trail? Cash payments in an alleyway?

The same way the mafia got away with it for decades. Their "doctors" (who all have patients in their practice that actually use EPO) buy the EPO normally. Then they use it on the athletes. The only paper trail is a real doctor buying EPO for their patients. That's a pretty standard practice. The only way to prove they give it to their athletes is if you are standing in the room with them.

ponderer of small puddles and other various liquids wrote:

Coevett wrote:

So this thread is actual proof of the harmful effect of the 'everybody dopes' mantra. Sounds like you're a sub-elite American who has been convinced that 'everybody dopes' and you're actually seeking info on how to join them.

I was joking. I was sub elite over a decade ago but coudn't even manage to find a coach, let alone figure out how to "dope" and with what. Unless someone spiked my creatine back in the day without me knowing...

ACTUAL proof? Nah.

But....on the other hand...if you know of a supplier....

Was creatine helpful for distance runners?

Ciro wrote:

ponderer of small puddles and other various liquids wrote:

I was joking. I was sub elite over a decade ago but coudn't even manage to find a coach, let alone figure out how to "dope" and with what. Unless someone spiked my creatine back in the day without me knowing...

ACTUAL proof? Nah.

But....on the other hand...if you know of a supplier....

Was creatine helpful for distance runners?

In moderation, maybe. I know sprinters get a problem with water bloating and muscle problems on it, it might not be a problem for distance runners.

Look at the WADA list of banned substances. It’s like a shopping list for drug cheats.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/what-is-prohibited

What are they on? They're on the track, and their on the roads, busting their butts when everyone else is sleeping in bed.

DrunkyMcDrunkface wrote:

What are they on? They're on the track, and their on the roads, busting their butts when everyone else is sleeping in bed.

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