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4 years ago 09/25/2019 7:32pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
Giving this thread a bump since it seems Malmo (or whoever) must be back from vacation.
Noticing tons of innocuous posts and threads disappearing again.
Content Moderation should be reserved for removing objectionable content, i.e. clearly contrary to LR AUP - not to satisfy inconsistent whims of a Mod, as sometimes seems the case.
How about if censored posts remained visible to the OP (only) with a reason recorded by the Mod for it being deleted?
Similarly, there should be a reason noted for thread removal - with the thread retained as a stub for a set period noting who removed it and why.
How about some consistency and accountability?

Consistency and accountability doesn’t positively affect their bottom line, thus they will not do it

4 years ago 09/25/2019 7:44pm EDT

re: Michael Smores

Michael Smores wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Giving this thread a bump since it seems Malmo (or whoever) must be back from vacation.
Noticing tons of innocuous posts and threads disappearing again.
Content Moderation should be reserved for removing objectionable content, i.e. clearly contrary to LR AUP - not to satisfy inconsistent whims of a Mod, as sometimes seems the case.
How about if censored posts remained visible to the OP (only) with a reason recorded by the Mod for it being deleted?
Similarly, there should be a reason noted for thread removal - with the thread retained as a stub for a set period noting who removed it and why.
How about some consistency and accountability?
Consistency and accountability doesn’t positively affect their bottom line, thus they will not do it

Can't believe I'm responding to you.

Mind your own business in the future.

Asked for the screenplay thread removed because of posters like you.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

If you have children, I feel sorry for them.

4 years ago 09/25/2019 7:48pm EDT

Ernest wrote:
https://s14308.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2027/10/stupid-is-as-stupid-does.jpg
Greg wrote:
Can't believe I'm responding to you.
Mind your own business in the future.
Asked for the screenplay thread removed because of posters like you.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
If you have children, I feel sorry for them.

You must know all about that.

4 years ago 09/25/2019 7:55pm EDT

re: Greg

Greg wrote:
Michael Smores wrote:
Consistency and accountability doesn’t positively affect their bottom line, thus they will not do it
Can't believe I'm responding to you.
Mind your own business in the future.
Asked for the screenplay thread removed because of posters like you.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
If you have children, I feel sorry for them.

Thank you for asking for the screenplay thread to be removed. Now we don’t have to listen to you go on and on about your screenplay.

You’re my hero, Greg.

4 years ago 10/01/2019 8:39am EDT

re: Ernest

Yes! Particularly the last twelve hours have been ridiculous with all the deletions to protect Salazar's and Brown's athletes and/or all the drug cheat apologists here. Come on letsrun, you can do better than to participate in this obfuscation.

Ernest wrote:
Giving this thread a bump since it seems Malmo (or whoever) must be back from vacation.
Noticing tons of innocuous posts and threads disappearing again.
Content Moderation should be reserved for removing objectionable content, i.e. clearly contrary to LR AUP - not to satisfy inconsistent whims of a Mod, as sometimes seems the case.
How about if censored posts remained visible to the OP (only) with a reason recorded by the Mod for it being deleted?
Similarly, there should be a reason noted for thread removal - with the thread retained as a stub for a set period noting who removed it and why.
How about some consistency and accountability?

4 years ago 10/01/2019 8:44am EDT

re: casual obsever

Rojo mentioned that wejo was livid about the deletions in the doping thread. Can we have an open discussion about what was deleted, by whom, and why? And what might be done to prevent it from happening in the future if it was inappropriate (as wejo apparently felt it was)?

4 years ago 10/17/2019 1:47pm EDT

re: MooseMan

Has anything actually changed?

4 years ago 10/17/2019 3:56pm EDT

re: Michael Smores

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4 years ago 10/17/2019 5:46pm EDT

re: rekrunner

Things can get deleted just because. It's a private site.

4 years ago 10/18/2019 8:39am EDT

re: jecht

jecht wrote:
Things can get deleted just because. It's a private site.

"just because" is not good enough

4 years ago 10/19/2019 5:31am EDT

re: Michael Smores

Michael Smores wrote:
jecht wrote:
Things can get deleted just because. It's a private site.
"just because" is not good enough

Well, it is in the Terms of Service. Rekrunner cited the whole thing above:

"4. You understand that LetsRun.com does not pre-screen content but it may remove content at its sole discretion for any reason whatsoever."

Of course, as one can see here in this thread, many of us would like to have this changed.

In the end, this thread here turns out to be one of the many threads where letsrun asked for input, and then ignored it.

4 years ago 11/13/2019 12:29pm EST

re: wejo

bumping this thread because malmo is once again deleting any critique of the site's moderation elsewhere. (look at post deletion history in the Leag Connor thread)

typical LRC discussion on moderation:

MALMO: We are doing a great job!

poster: (posts examples of him not doing a great job)

MALMO: (DELETE)

MALMO: We are doing a great job!

4 years ago 11/13/2019 10:55pm EST

wejo wrote:
therottingghost wrote:
[quote]ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
2. Wejo and Malmo still refusing to address one of the biggest ongoing issues on the board, the obvious unwillingness to acknowledge and rectify the fact that mods repeatedly refuse to delete reported racist threads in a timely manner while instantly deleting all posts complaining about them. If they don't want to address that then what's the point of this thread at all? If they are willing to keep obviously racist moderators then why pretend they are interested in cleaning this place up? Malmo says it isn't him. Well, then find out who it was and remove them from the site.
If they are unwilling to admit past mistakes, then why should there be any faith that they want to right present wrongs?
We have said moderation needs to be better and we have made mistakes.
However what you said above should not happen. In fact if it happened a moderator would be suspended of their duties immediately.
You say mods have repeatedly refused to delete racist threads . I’d like one example of such a thread . The best I’ve seen anyone come up with is a few racist posts of about of 9 million. We’d love to have perfection but we don’t have it. But I’ve yet to see a single example of a mod ‘refusing’ to delete a racist thread. We clearly have missed some racist posts in pasts. Some threads that are racist may be up longer than you like but I don’t think a mod has refused to delete them. That would result in a of being terminated.
Maybe a racial slur is a better example. For example I’ve seen some reference to a ‘ beaner’ post . If reported and seen by a mod that should be deleted 100% of the time.
Mods may have deleted posts that complaint about moderation but those posts and racists posts could easily be independent events. Once again if you have a problem with a post a) report it or b) email us directly . If you do b) you will get a response and an explanation.
And c) if a handful of people report a post it automatically gets deleted. This hasn’t always worked when we upgraded servers but it does now. Do some things still slip through cracks - yes.
I’d like to know specific examples of what you are saying above.

BUMP

I sent you half a dozen.

No follow up.

4 years ago 11/14/2019 3:08am EST

re: wtfunny

wtfunny wrote:
wejo wrote:
Coevett I'm putting you on warning. I know you have been banned in the past, but the post above is the type of post will get you banned. I'd ban you now, but you are posting this trying to contribute to this discussion of moderating.
However, saying people who disagree wtih you "fantasize about rape and bestiality" is not the type of discussion we want on LetsRun.com.
Obviously the "black dildo" type post should get you a ban as well.
We want a civil forum.
Wejo,
With all due respect ...
He's been banned before. That's WITHOUT the black dildo post. Now you and Malmo see the black dildo post ... "it's deleted, what's the problem?" ... he then posts the SJW post above and your response is
"This is the kind of thing that will get you banned"
Clearly it isn't.
I read all your responses here. As I said before, you started this thread asking for help to identify and solve problems. And even now your responses to all the commentary you received is
"we're going to keep going just as have done in the past".
Why not make some actual changes? And if not, why bother starting a thread like this in the first place? Are you just trolling for views and clicks?

I only just saw this thread (Wejo's warning and wtfunny's response).

After reading 'therottingghost''s attacks on me in the Leah O'Conner thread that he's hijacked, I Googled his handle, and this is an account he only uses for this thread and that thread - to attack me whilst getting around the 'only registered users' requirement. Then he complains that he's not the abusive and psychopathic pervert anonymous troll that regularly leaves up rape threats and bestiality fantasies.

Oh sorry Rojo, now you're going to have to ban me. I just the mentioned the fact that my psychopathic troll (who you appear able to identify) regularly leaves up rape threats. If that's not a banning offence, what is? You've already warned me about that.

I honestly can't believe what I've read. Now I appreciate moderation is a hard task. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never owned even a little blog that has occasional comments. But it appears you actually threatened to ban me for complaining about rape threats, and comments being left by the same demented individual referring to bestiality - including in at least one case mentioning a young British junior athlete. BTW, that comment was left up for weeks or months. In fact, I still have the link somewhere and I'm going to go back and check and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's still up there.

So let's understand this. I came back to this thread after another moderation thread discussing the 'body shaming' of a female junior athlete, which everybody agrees is wrong.

That thread gets hijacked by my psychopathic pervert stalker who has regularly left not only rape threats against me (together with numerous signs that he's actively trying to doxx me and find out where I live) but has left truly obscene comments relating to bestiality, rape, and junior athletes.

And I was threatened with a ban for pointing out those comments???

Now if this individual - 'therunningghost' - is that stalker, what you need to do is report him to the FBI.

And just to clear up - I made that comment about 'black dildos' once. I apologize for it, but it was in response to the (probably same stalker) accusing me of bullying Billy Konchellah - a man who has been convicted of drugging and raping children, as well previously been under investigation for at least two rapes in the UK. My response in this thread where I accused my enemies of having 'bestiality fantasies' etc - well I've explained that now. Spade Detector and others, accused me of lying about those comments, some of which I've screencapped and I'll send to the FBI myself. These people think I'm worse than somebody who makes actual rape threats and leaves comments about bestiality and children and use the accusations of that individual as 'evidence' I should be banned.

I apologize also for the 'Kenyans are the dumbest people I've met' comment. Again I was provoked into that. It was also the truth, I had a very bad experience with Kenyans (just about my only experience with them) when I was a teenager that would leave a mark on anyone. However, in the context of a running forum in which the best junior talents in North America and Europe will often visit, I don't really see how that one throwaway stupid comment is as bad as the constant racist stereotyping of Kenyans as being superior runners, and white kids being naturally slower as Rojo himself has proudly stated (in response to me) here recently.

4 years ago 11/14/2019 11:00am EST

re: Coevett

Coevett, I'm not whoever you think I am, if there is even such a person. Most likely it's an amalgamation of people you've pissed off with your racist posts. I rarely respond to you or mention you under any handle, I only bring you up as a reference to the moderation problems on this forum.

Stop accusing me of things with no basis. Your racist posts have probably pissed off lots of people and in your head you've combined them all into one person.

If someone threatened you they should be banned for good. As should you for your repeated vile posts.

4 years ago 11/21/2019 7:37pm EST

re: wejo

So what has actually been done? Besides lip service to correcting the boards, what quantifiable actions have been taken, ones that are demonstrable to us?

4 years ago 11/21/2019 8:21pm EST

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
Michael Smores wrote:
"just because" is not good enough
Well, it is in the Terms of Service. Rekrunner cited the whole thing above:
"4. You understand that LetsRun.com does not pre-screen content but it may remove content at its sole discretion for any reason whatsoever."
Of course, as one can see here in this thread, many of us would like to have this changed.
In the end, this thread here turns out to be one of the many threads where letsrun asked for input, and then ignored it.

"For any reason whatsoever" I assume is written as a legal and general purpose protection.

That sets the bar low for letsrun. I would think a goal of fair unbiased deletions which would occur to stop offensive, crude language and posts attempting to harm would be appropriate.

Increased training, accountability and feedback for moderators are needed.

We need to identify moderators through a registered handle so we can give feedback on the quality of their work.

4 years ago 12/23/2019 6:47am EST

re: wejo

Recently I’ve seen a large uptick in obviously fabricated anti-liberal threads not being deleted on these boards, while threads about verifiable facts, but which could be construed as anti-Conservative, have been deleted.

Why is this? I would say because there is an anti-liberal, pro bias in the moderation policies that is encouraged by Wejo and Rojo.

4 years ago 12/23/2019 10:54am EST

re: Michael Smores

I don't understand the moderation policies either.

They just deleted a post from somebody who didn't like Christmas.

Just another weird post like thousands of other which are unrelated to running and stay on letsrun.com.

But for what ever reason some get deleted and some don't.

Don't expect anybody to understand the letsrun moderation policy because it is totally inconsistent.

4 years ago 03/15/2020 6:18pm EDT

re: Ultramarkus

Wejo/Rojo,

Just a few of the gems I've heard on this board today, and directed at myself:

Edmonton neighbor of loser

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He’s taking a 5 minute break to check out his new gay porn VCR tape he received.

Edmonton blows

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I’ll respond later Greg. Your mom needs to be serviced now.

Back with you in about 2 hours, depending upon where I am in the line.

I should not have to deal with this stuff on your website and nor should anyone else.

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