Black privilege in College Admissions

Relying on a test that white students get the privilege of studying for exclusively for years is the purest form of racial discrimination.

It’s easy to score a run when you’re born on third base.

I'm sorry, who exactly is stopping anyone from studying for the years for the SAT?

Go away Russkie! Where is your women's world cup team? Losers!

AP5000 wrote:

I'm sorry, who exactly is stopping anyone from studying for the years for the SAT?

Your ignorance is staggering

Wake up dude wrote:

Relying on a test that white students get the privilege of studying for exclusively for years is the purest form of racial discrimination.

It’s easy to score a run when you’re born on third base.

You're oblivious to your casual racism against blacks and Latinos.

And you compound the problem by supporting racist discrimination against whites, even poor whites.

We have mountains of evidence that different ethnic groups have different strengths and weaknesses.

We all can admit to this fact when it comes to athletics, why can't we be realistic when it comes to other areas?

Black children from households making $250,000 or more have the same average SAT scores as whites from families with family income below $20,000.

Editor's note: The author is factually incorrect in their statement. You can see a chart for income here:

The truest form of privilege in College Admissions was the dedicated education of white American males throughout the centuries by excluding worthy, underprivileged minorities. What you call black privilege is just a coordinated effort to ensure heterogeneity on college campuses.

AP5000 wrote:

I'm sorry, who exactly is stopping anyone from studying for the years for the SAT?

I’m going to assume you’re not trolling and try to give you a sincere reply here.

Young people of color, on average, have less access to quality test prep services and disproportionately have extracurricular obligations (I.e. work, caring for siblings) when compared to white students. If your family is barely getting by, paying thousands of dollars a year on SAT prep isn’t going to be a priority.

This means that white students, on average, score higher than people of color on the SAT. They don’t, on average, have better GPAs or professional outcomes when compared to people of color who have received the same level of education. If you’re a college, you should care more about a student’s potential than how they did on a single-day test.

wait! what?

people study for the SAT? people actually PAY to prepare for the SAT? silly people.

Officer Wilson wrote:

Wake up dude wrote:

Relying on a test that white students get the privilege of studying for exclusively for years is the purest form of racial discrimination.

It’s easy to score a run when you’re born on third base.

You're oblivious to your casual racism against blacks and Latinos.

And you compound the problem by supporting racist discrimination against whites, even poor whites.

We have mountains of evidence that different ethnic groups have different strengths and weaknesses.

We all can admit to this fact when it comes to athletics, why can't we be realistic when it comes to other areas?

Black children from households making $250,000 or more have the same average SAT scores as whites from families with family income below $20,000.

You’re claiming that black and brown students are less smart and I’M the racist? Ok dude lol

You are by definition a racist. We should not judge or categorize people by the color of their skin. Each student should be treated as an individual in the admissions process. The kid with the worst life experiences may have white skin and the kid with the most privilege may have black skin. Yet they get lumped into a category by race which us immoral.

If you apply your same logic to athletics then you'll quickly see how your analysis completely falls apart. It doesn't matter how long you've prepared, or where you started from. All the matters is the actual performance on the test - it measures learning propensity. Apply your same failed logic on selecting the 4x100M team for college XYZ,...all that matters is selecting the athletes with the best times (same as test scores). In fact, all universities should move to a test only system where grades, extracurricular activity, legacy, etc. don't even count. The ancient Greeks knew that through competition is when humans reach their greatest potential.

Years of housing discrimination and white flight ?‍♂️

What a ridiculous statement. If you really want to go there, professional sports organizations never rely on purely "objective" criteria like a standardized test. Maybe a young athlete has a high ceiling (high intelligence / high VO2 max), but has had poor preparation thus far (had to work to support their family / never trained under a serious coach). Another athlete has achieved everything there is to achieve on paper, but shows no potential for growth. If you're a professional GM, which athlete would you take? By your ridiculous analysis, the only "fair" approach would be to take the low-ceiling athlete who has results.

Equal joe wrote:

You are by definition a racist. We should not judge or categorize people by the color of their skin. Each student should be treated as an individual in the admissions process. The kid with the worst life experiences may have white skin and the kid with the most privilege may have black skin. Yet they get lumped into a category by race which us immoral.

The only way to truly treat each student as an individual would be to guarantee each student access to the same educational opportunities. I assume you'll be supporting Bernie Sanders for President, then?

The SAT measures what a student is capable of. learning. It is the only metric a school needs to use in admissions but as the study found, bkacks and hispanics have less aptitude than whites. It would be nice if athketic scholarships worked the same way. A 10.2 in the 100 gets you a full ride if black but a 10.4 gets you a full ride if you are white.

"'Our data confirms that the affluent have extraordinary advantages in college admissions,' says the report from the researchers.'

Most recruited athletes are white. Most affluent people are white. Kids raised in affluent households get a lot more words said to them everyday; they are listened to more; they get constant educational enrichment opportunities; while the poor kids go to a public daycare with sports and videos all day in the summer, in the best case, the rich kids go to a series of elite summer camps teaching them academic subjects as well as sports; the poor kids gain more in school than the rich kids but start way back and fall further back every summer; the rich kids get years of one on one test prep from top teachers, while the poor kids probably don't even take the test.

Based on what you are saying wouldn't it make more sense and fairer to use income level versus color of skin as criterion to determine who should be given extra advantage?

Please explain.

Also, another nugget from the study was that the median SAT scores of those who would have been rejected from the 200 elite colleges if the SAT alone had been the basis of admissions were: Black/Latino: 1120/Asian: 1130/White: 1140, very similar, in other words.

And the SAT does not correlate well with college academic success compared to grades alone or grades + SATs, and this is according to the College Board (SAT) itself.

zxvczcvx wrote:

"'Our data confirms that the affluent have extraordinary advantages in college admissions,' says the report from the researchers.'

Most recruited athletes are white. Most affluent people are white. Kids raised in affluent households get a lot more words said to them everyday; they are listened to more; they get constant educational enrichment opportunities; while the poor kids go to a public daycare with sports and videos all day in the summer, in the best case, the rich kids go to a series of elite summer camps teaching them academic subjects as well as sports; the poor kids gain more in school than the rich kids but start way back and fall further back every summer; the rich kids get years of one on one test prep from top teachers, while the poor kids probably don't even take the test.

(same response to you)

Based on what you are saying wouldn't it make more sense and fairer to use income level versus color of skin as criterion to determine who should be given extra advantage?

Please explain.