You just can't say they are juicing. A lot of people are juicing, but their training and methods are just on another level, man.
What Hassan doing is absolutely nuts! ..just nuts
- 1:56 800m
-3:55 1500m
-Sub 8:20 3000m
-third fastest women's mile
- 65 min half marathoner
And that skinny german chick is now a huge threat as well.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING AT THE NIKE OREGON PROJECT?
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Push ups ;)
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Salazar explained years ago. They do 2 fast workouts a week. Tuesday is shorter intervals like 200-600m. Friday is longer intervals (800m up to 1 mile) or tempo. Tuesday is usually 3-6k volume depending on the session. Friday is usually 8-12km volume depending on the session. Pace wise Tuesday can be anywhere from 400m (on the 200s) to 1500m pace. Friday is usually 5k-10km pace, but can get as fast as 3k pace for 800s or 1ks if there's sufficient recovery. For both days, recovery is usually 200 or 400m jog depending on the interval distance and purpose of the workout.
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Hassan ran 3:56 and was European champion (outdoor, indoor, XC) before she joined NOP.
The German chick ran 1:59, 3:59, 14:51 solo (with the last 2k in 5:41) within three weeks two years ago at 20 years old when she had nothing to do with NOP. -
Scorpion_runner wrote:
You just can't say they are juicing. A lot of people are juicing, but their training and methods are just on another level, man.
Their juicing is on another level. -
Klosterhalfen is doing incredibly well for such a tall runner. She is 174cm / 5'9'' and yet manages to keep up with much smaller runners.
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Jo72 wrote:
Hassan ran 3:56 and was European champion (outdoor, indoor, XC) before she joined NOP.
The German chick ran 1:59, 3:59, 14:51 solo (with the last 2k in 5:41) within three weeks two years ago at 20 years old when she had nothing to do with NOP.
Yeah, but the OTHER STUFF
800m, half marathon, 3000m, etc
She has always been a great 1500m runner, but now? She is just beastly. -
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Klosterhalfen is doing incredibly well for such a tall runner. She is 174cm / 5'9'' and yet manages to keep up with much smaller runners.
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Sure they’re juicing, and so are a lot of other people. But the NOP has doping down to a science. Saladbar knows exactly how much drugs he can give without triggering a positive test result (by testing out AndroGel on his son and sending Rupp’s urine to the Mayo Clinic for testing).
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Winning ... that’s all
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If they even are juicing, they’re clearly doing something different than a lot of others. I’m sure it has in large part to do with the facilities they have access to, along with the fact that Salazar is one of the best coaches in the world regardless of what you think of him morally.
I’d also wager that it’s less likely that someone like Kejelcha is doping living in the US with NOP than it is when he was living in Ethiopia.
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I think it comes down to Salazar's program - it's best in class, best in the world. Elements of the old Oregon System mixed with Canova guidance and you can't underestimate the impact of Dan Pfaff and the biomechanical work they get. Salazar's best quote for me was, "our job is to make sure all forces are going in the right direction." The simplicity behind that statement is genius.
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Working on that big kick
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ThatAverageRunner wrote:
If they even are juicing, they’re clearly doing something different than a lot of others. I’m sure it has in large part to do with the facilities they have access to, along with the fact that Salazar is one of the best coaches in the world regardless of what you think of him morally.
I’d also wager that it’s less likely that someone like Kejelcha is doping living in the US with NOP than it is when he was living in Ethiopia.
FWIW; They could very well still be doping, but no one is completely free from suspicion.
It's insane. Everyone improves
Look at what Rupp, Centro, Farah and Dathan, and Rowbury did under him.
Now look at Hasay, Osaka, Brazier, Murphy, Engels, Hassan, Yomif, and freaking Koko....
Runners don't fall off under him. They evolve, like world class evolve.
Imagine would he would do with the Dibabas ...god damn. -
Have you guys heard of "gravity doping?" The word is a misnomer and it's been of course classified since research began in the 70s with skylab. But there's been Nasa/OP links for a long time. Look it up. Fascinating.
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Hasan, Koko and Murphy were running on the track after the meet was over but I didn't see Kejelcha
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Canova is no influence on Salazar.
Canova,
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Scorpion_runner wrote:
You just can't say they are juicing. A lot of people are juicing, but their training and methods are just on another level, man.
What Hassan doing is absolutely nuts! ..just nuts
- 1:56 800m
-3:55 1500m
-Sub 8:20 3000m
-third fastest women's mile
- 65 min half marathoner
And that skinny german chick is now a huge threat as well.
Dude, they are doing what Nick Saban does - recruiting very talented people and then coaching them well.
But come on, it starts with the talent. If it was all about coaching Kejelcha wouldn't have finished next to last today and Mary Cain wouldn't be running road races in NY.
Plus Salazar has an advantage now as anyone who joins the group has sent a signal that they will DO ANYTING to be the best. Don't misunderstant me. I'm not saying they are dirty. But if you are willing to join the group and don't care about the drug accusations, it shows you are ALL IN on running and not all pros are like that.
So Al Sal has the advantage of a) Recruiting the best in the world with Nike's resources and B) Having those that join only be those who are also as dedicated as is possible. Not everyone is willing to move a continent away to be the best. And not everyone is willing to be coached by someone under a USADA investigation. -
lots of laps wrote:
Hasan, Koko and Murphy were running on the track after the meet was over but I didn't see Kejelcha
I’m just curious, were there any other teams out there working out after the meet any other groups? maybe this is why Salazar wins maybe this is why OP is as good as they are; relentless focus training and effort. I’m sure someone will tear me down tell me no it’s all about drugs, it’s lets run after all. -
mooonshot wrote:
I think it comes down to Salazar's program - it's best in class, best in the world. Elements of the old Oregon System mixed with Canova guidance and you can't underestimate the impact of Dan Pfaff and the biomechanical work they get. Salazar's best quote for me was, "our job is to make sure all forces are going in the right direction." The simplicity behind that statement is genius.
Neither KK nor Hassan looked like they'd spent a single day concentrating on form.
