Hi all,
Via via I came to an account of a Belgian coach who is coaching most of the Belgian runners.
2 of them finished 4-5th on the 5K at Payton Jordan this year. Isaac Kimeli also ran against Jäger last year and was beaten in a sprintfinish.
His coach Tim Moriau posted the program of 1 of his guys that ran 13.19 at Stanford, averaging only 55miles a week!!
You can find the program on his instagram: moriautim
Let me think what you guys think about it, it seems to good to be true...
I wish I had his genetics.
I call BS. Elite athletes and coaches in all sports do a lot of dissembling when "releasing" training programs, and this is no exception. There's probably an additional 40-50 miles a week of mileage that conveniently isn't mentioned.
Average is the key word. You can run 100-120+ miles a week for weeks at a time and still average 55 MPW for the year. Also, we don't know pass training history. Is he doing illicit substances? Or, how much cross training is he doing?
I've seen old profiles of Duncan McDonald's training and it looks like that's about what he did. And wasn't that about what Doug Padilla did? If you dig around here for old threads you'll see that Harald Norpoth almost never got that high ina single week and he ran 13:20.
High mileage seems to work best for most elite distance runners. But there have been exceptions through the years, I see no reason we cant believe this guy might be another exception.
The Instagram shows 90 mpw in the high mileage week, and 70 mpw in the taper weeks. Did you add the doubles to the mileage?
Pretty solid training, his coach is taking lactate during workouts to monitor the real effort. Typical for European elites, the Ingebrigstens do it exactly the same.
MamothRunner wrote:
Hi all,
Via via I came to an account of a Belgian coach who is coaching most of the Belgian runners.
2 of them finished 4-5th on the 5K at Payton Jordan this year. Isaac Kimeli also ran against Jäger last year and was beaten in a sprintfinish.
His coach Tim Moriau posted the program of 1 of his guys that ran 13.19 at Stanford, averaging only 55miles a week!!
You can find the program on his instagram: moriautim
Let me think what you guys think about it, it seems to good to be true...
Possible. I believe Bernard Lagat ran about 70 miles a week and went sub 13. There's definitely guys who are capable of sub 13:20 on 50 miles a week with heavy speed work. That program wouldn't be ideal and I'm sure they'd be faster on a better program.
Can none of you read? This is literally a month of him peaking/flying around/racing. In between he's doing 10k/10k doubles no problem.
Said Aouita ran 50 to 70 miles a week, but most weeks were 50, 50, 50, 50 every week.
He never ran high mileage nor more than 10 miles at a time.
I posted this because I believe it is true. I just met this coach a few days ago as their group is currently staying in my hometown (Sankt Moritz). I did a workout with them and his athletes told me it was hard to believe for them at first because his way of approaching things is different. Nobody in the group does really high mileage or quality workouts.
I also asked the coach what the volumes were the weeks before this program, his answer:
Week 1: 104K (64 miles)
Week 2: 102K (63 miles)
Week 3 : 80K (49 miles)
Week 4: 99K (61 miles)
Week 5: 95K (59 miles)
Week 6: 66K (41 miles)
Week 7: 53K (32 miles)
Week 8: 41K (25 miles)
Week 9: 55K (34 miles)
Week 10: 113K (70 miles)
Week 11: 81.5K (50 miles)
Week 12: 119K (74 miles)
The lower mileage was his restperiod after XC season he sad to me.
He told me he is going to release more programs the coming weeks via his instagram: moriautim and his webpage if you guys would be interested:
dunes runner wrote:
Said Aouita ran 50 to 70 miles a week, but most weeks were 50, 50, 50, 50 every week.
He never ran high mileage nor more than 10 miles at a time.
People who trained with him, know this to be false.
Remind me again Belgium medal count at 5000m and remind me again of the training the gold medalist in 5000m is doing.
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Thank you for your added value. Funny though that so many Americans are currently using Belgium for their European season however?
But the discussion is about training and science not about you insulting my country, so I believe if you have nothing to say about training you better visit another forum :)?
That's the problem of injuries and comparison. So we all have to train like 1 of the strongest athletes in the world? You really think that's the winning approach ;)? Ever heard of building up your career, did you really think after only 3 years of training Mo was doing 160km's a week every week?
Out of curiosity, what's the fastest 10k you have produced?
So far I coach(ed) the following athletes and I am only 31 years old, they are all in our group now besides Bashir he moved to the group of Mo Farah in Oktober last year to become a marathonrunner:
Isaac Kimeli: 1.46-3.36-13.18 (1994)
Robin Hendrix: 1.49-3.40-13.19 (1995)
Simon Debognies: 3.41-13.38-28.25 (national record U23) (1996)
Bashir Abdi: 13.04 last year in Brussels DL, PB 3.36-13.04-27.36
Dorian Boulvin: 13.50-29.20 (1997)
Dieter Kersten: 13.50-28.46
Stijn Baeten: 1.47-3.38.04
So I can't complain as I only started coaching 10 years ago and live in a small country (11 mil inhabitants)
HRE wrote:
I've seen old profiles of Duncan McDonald's training and it looks like that's about what he did. And wasn't that about what Doug Padilla did? If you dig around here for old threads you'll see that Harald Norpoth almost never got that high ina single week and he ran 13:20.
Doug Padilla and Duncan McDonald are the two names that come to my mind when talking about fast times on low total mileage.
Exceptions to the rule exist. There are individuals who can run pretty decent on low mileage. Here's the thing, there is a 99% chance you are not the exception to the rule, you would know if you were. The average person will have to put in mileage, if they want to get anywhere. The saying, "mileage makes champions" exist for a reason.