This new documentary goes into more detail regarding his gym work than seen previously. why is it that every bugger says you need to lift heavy for running but Kipchoge and co do the exact opposite. Check it out.
This new documentary goes into more detail regarding his gym work than seen previously. why is it that every bugger says you need to lift heavy for running but Kipchoge and co do the exact opposite. Check it out.
I don’t think anyone knowledgeable says a marathoner needs to lift heavy. That’s really for sprinters/middle distance runners.
The one thing I've noticed in all the Kenyan training videos is that they do all the long runs on dirt... never on pavement. Almost no US marathoners train exclusively or even primarily on dirt.
Having run an ultra on a loop that was half pavement and half dirt roads, the difference is significant after the miles build up. Dirt is far more forgiving and less impact.
Mikeh33 wrote:
I don’t think anyone knowledgeable says a marathoner needs to lift heavy. That’s really for sprinters/middle distance runners.
How is lifting heavy or for that matter traditional resistance training at all functional training for running as fast as possible..?
Mikeh33 wrote:
I don’t think anyone knowledgeable says a marathoner needs to lift heavy. That’s really for sprinters/middle distance runners.
One of many studies-
http://sport1.uibk.ac.at/lehre/burtscher/efficiency-artikel,2008.pdfI'll leave you with this thought, when you run how much of your body weight does your leg have to absorb upon impact and throughout the stance cycle? The other side of it, how much force (in reference to body weight) do you have to exert to become airborne?
Answer those two questions and you will re-think how you view lifting.
If you're not running hills, which the Kenyans do, near-maximal resistance training is a good idea. It recruits more muscle fibers and develops those neuromuscular pathways (good for the 'kick'), plus, it increases muscular strength. Stronger muscles means more power with each stride/foot plant, therefore, after gaining strength the same pace will be at a relatively lower percent of maximum ('easier') or you can run faster for the same effort. Speed work is similar. Utilizing both resistance training and speed work is a nice balance without burning the runner out by using only one of them. A lot of eccentric action is involved in running, focusing on that during resistance training is important too.
Mikeh33 wrote:
I don’t think anyone knowledgeable says a marathoner needs to lift heavy. That’s really for sprinters/middle distance runners.
"heavy" is 100% relative, depends a lot on the individual, some body types respond very well to strength work..and comparing what Kipchoge does to the average even other elite runners is wasting time..
Because KIpchoge is a sharing person. There's not enough weights in Kenya for him to hog them all for himself.
Because he is an extremely gifted athlete and would be a great runner if he lifted heavy, light, or never went near a weight or did 1 push up.
Kipchoge can easily deadlift 600 pounds and benches 315 for reps, naturally. Why would he need to go to the gym?
You don’t need to drop a 52 second last 400m in the marathon.
Also, the duration of 2 and half hours three days a week is like getting in another 30 miles a week of running. The heart rate stays up like running but the muscles get worked in different ways. This helps prevent injury along with being a mental break from the grind of just running miles.
Thanks for sharing!
fisky wrote:
The one thing I've noticed in all the Kenyan training videos is that they do all the long runs on dirt... never on pavement. Almost no US marathoners train exclusively or even primarily on dirt.
Having run an ultra on a loop that was half pavement and half dirt roads, the difference is significant after the miles build up. Dirt is far more forgiving and less impact.
Well, it's not even on purpose. There just aren't a lot of paved road in Kenya.
Second, say in Flagstaff, most everyone stays off pavement there as well.. with the exception of specific workouts on Lake Mary Rd or other roads. But most people who train in Flagstaff run on dirt roads most of the time--that's why Flagstaff is appealing. I think it's safe to say that.
On the contrary wrote:
How is lifting heavy or for that matter traditional resistance training at all functional training for running as fast as possible..?
that it isn't. Just a few dunderheads who can't run spouting nonsense.
On the contrary wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
I don’t think anyone knowledgeable says a marathoner needs to lift heavy. That’s really for sprinters/middle distance runners.
How is lifting heavy or for that matter traditional resistance training at all functional training for running as fast as possible..?
Lifting heavy increases the amount of muscle fibers you can recruit. Not that would be useful or anything for running.
I have never met a successful runner who lifted heavy. That is ridiculous. Growing muscle does not created successful distance runners. ELuid does weighted Plyometrics and dances.
There's definitely some smoke & mirrors when it comes to elite runners training plans. I do feel we see only what they want us to see.
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Mind muscle connection wrote:
On the contrary wrote:
How is lifting heavy or for that matter traditional resistance training at all functional training for running as fast as possible..?
Lifting heavy increases the amount of muscle fibers you can recruit. Not that would be useful or anything for running.
lifting up weights connected with a straight bar has little functionality when compared to the movement of running. Putting 300 pounds on your back and squatting it up and down basically ruins your running mechanics or does very little to enhance or improve your skills at ...running. Does it look like these African Aerobic Mutants lift anything heavy ...nonsense, these guys are skinny AF.
On the contrary wrote:
Mind muscle connection wrote:
Lifting heavy increases the amount of muscle fibers you can recruit. Not that would be useful or anything for running.
lifting up weights connected with a straight bar has little functionality when compared to the movement of running. Putting 300 pounds on your back and squatting it up and down basically ruins your running mechanics or does very little to enhance or improve your skills at ...running. Does it look like these African Aerobic Mutants lift anything heavy ...nonsense, these guys are skinny AF.
Because we should train like doped runners?
